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		<title>By: John Alcorn</title>
		<link>https://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/virus-crisis-economic-faq/#comment-497037</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Alcorn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2020 13:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A new source, Re: &lt;i&gt;Triage&lt;/i&gt; (a question I raised in a previous comment).  An informative NYT article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/21/us/coronavirus-medical-rationing.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A new source, Re: <i>Triage</i> (a question I raised in a previous comment).  An informative NYT article:<br />
<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/21/us/coronavirus-medical-rationing.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/21/us/coronavirus-medical-rationing.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Alcorn</title>
		<link>https://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/virus-crisis-economic-faq/#comment-497036</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Alcorn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2020 13:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A new source, Re: Macroeconomics of the pandemic (and the tricky concept of &lt;i&gt;trade-offs&lt;/i&gt;.  A new NBER paper: 
https://tinyurl.com/uamyq32

The paper attempts to model various scenarios (containment, treatment, medical readiness, vaccine, etc.).  Here (below) is the abstract, which reports &quot;the benchmark scenario.&quot; Estimates of other scenarios are in the paper.  Of course, the model parameters lack the hard data (e.g., experimental data) that Dr. Kling seeks about contagion mechanisms:

&quot;The Macroeconomics of Epidemics
Martin S. Eichenbaum, Sergio Rebeloy, and Mathias Trabandtz
March 20, 2020
Abstract
We extend the canonical epidemiology model to study the interaction between economic decisions and epidemics. Our model implies that people&#039;s decision to cut back on consumption and work reduces the severity of the epidemic, as measured by total deaths. These decisions exacerbate the size of the recession caused by the epidemic. The competitive equilibrium is not socially optimal because infected people do not fully internalize the effect of their economic decisions on the spread of the virus. In our benchmark scenario, the optimal containment policy increases the severity of the recession but saves roughly 0.6 million lives in the U.S.&quot;

The authors emphasize that the models don&#039;t include some key factors (basically factors that Dr. Kling has highlighted in various blogposts):

&quot;we note that our model abstracts from various forces that might affect the long-run performance of the economy. These forces include bankruptcy costs, hysteresis effects from unemployment, and the destruction of supply-side chains. It is important to embody these forces in macroeconomic models of epidemics and study their positive and normative implications.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A new source, Re: Macroeconomics of the pandemic (and the tricky concept of <i>trade-offs</i>.  A new NBER paper:<br />
<a href="https://tinyurl.com/uamyq32" rel="nofollow">https://tinyurl.com/uamyq32</a></p>
<p>The paper attempts to model various scenarios (containment, treatment, medical readiness, vaccine, etc.).  Here (below) is the abstract, which reports &#8220;the benchmark scenario.&#8221; Estimates of other scenarios are in the paper.  Of course, the model parameters lack the hard data (e.g., experimental data) that Dr. Kling seeks about contagion mechanisms:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Macroeconomics of Epidemics<br />
Martin S. Eichenbaum, Sergio Rebeloy, and Mathias Trabandtz<br />
March 20, 2020<br />
Abstract<br />
We extend the canonical epidemiology model to study the interaction between economic decisions and epidemics. Our model implies that people&#8217;s decision to cut back on consumption and work reduces the severity of the epidemic, as measured by total deaths. These decisions exacerbate the size of the recession caused by the epidemic. The competitive equilibrium is not socially optimal because infected people do not fully internalize the effect of their economic decisions on the spread of the virus. In our benchmark scenario, the optimal containment policy increases the severity of the recession but saves roughly 0.6 million lives in the U.S.&#8221;</p>
<p>The authors emphasize that the models don&#8217;t include some key factors (basically factors that Dr. Kling has highlighted in various blogposts):</p>
<p>&#8220;we note that our model abstracts from various forces that might affect the long-run performance of the economy. These forces include bankruptcy costs, hysteresis effects from unemployment, and the destruction of supply-side chains. It is important to embody these forces in macroeconomic models of epidemics and study their positive and normative implications.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>https://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/virus-crisis-economic-faq/#comment-496965</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2020 21:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I agree that the fatality rate could be the more important fear factor, although I suspect it&#039;s a bit lower than current estimates due to lack of testing in mild and asymptomatic cases.

As I said, I would &quot;add&quot; lack of vaccine to his answer for #1, not replace the original.  The relatively high fatality rate could fit there too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I agree that the fatality rate could be the more important fear factor, although I suspect it&#8217;s a bit lower than current estimates due to lack of testing in mild and asymptomatic cases.</p>
<p>As I said, I would &#8220;add&#8221; lack of vaccine to his answer for #1, not replace the original.  The relatively high fatality rate could fit there too.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeW</title>
		<link>https://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/virus-crisis-economic-faq/#comment-496963</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2020 20:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the main factor in the fear is simply that the coronavirus is much more deadly than the flu.  Sure, it would help if there were a vaccine for coronavirus, even if it were only partially effective, because that would lessen the chances of catching it.  But I still think that the vaccine is not that big a factor in the lack of fear of flu; the flu is just so much less deadly and we are all used to living with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the main factor in the fear is simply that the coronavirus is much more deadly than the flu.  Sure, it would help if there were a vaccine for coronavirus, even if it were only partially effective, because that would lessen the chances of catching it.  But I still think that the vaccine is not that big a factor in the lack of fear of flu; the flu is just so much less deadly and we are all used to living with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>https://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/virus-crisis-economic-faq/#comment-496955</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2020 20:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess one more way to reiterate my original point is a thought experiment:

If there had been a vaccine produced immediately when this thing broke in Wuhan, and administered to the same number of  Americans as the flu shot, do you think anything would be shut down right now in the US?  Even at ~50% efficacy, that would significantly slow the spread, and most would feel protected enough to lead normal daily lives, with maybe a little extra hand washing.  People would still get sick and die, but people would have much more confidence in containment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess one more way to reiterate my original point is a thought experiment:</p>
<p>If there had been a vaccine produced immediately when this thing broke in Wuhan, and administered to the same number of  Americans as the flu shot, do you think anything would be shut down right now in the US?  Even at ~50% efficacy, that would significantly slow the spread, and most would feel protected enough to lead normal daily lives, with maybe a little extra hand washing.  People would still get sick and die, but people would have much more confidence in containment.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>https://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/virus-crisis-economic-faq/#comment-496953</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2020 19:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gotcha.

But still, I think part of the worry about cov is that no one is vaccinated, so there&#039;s no herd immunity to slow down the spread.  The flu shot mostly  protects you (imperfectly) and partly protects others by reducing the chance you will spread it.  No such option here yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotcha.</p>
<p>But still, I think part of the worry about cov is that no one is vaccinated, so there&#8217;s no herd immunity to slow down the spread.  The flu shot mostly  protects you (imperfectly) and partly protects others by reducing the chance you will spread it.  No such option here yet.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeW</title>
		<link>https://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/virus-crisis-economic-faq/#comment-496950</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2020 19:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe flu vaccines were developed in the 1940s, but they were not widespread until recently.  It&#039;s maybe 20 years ago that they started recommending that everyone get them and I started getting a flu shot each year.  Both before then and since then, I have had cases of flu.  They were unpleasant, but not scary.  I can understand that older and unhealthier people might view it differently.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe flu vaccines were developed in the 1940s, but they were not widespread until recently.  It&#8217;s maybe 20 years ago that they started recommending that everyone get them and I started getting a flu shot each year.  Both before then and since then, I have had cases of flu.  They were unpleasant, but not scary.  I can understand that older and unhealthier people might view it differently.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>https://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/virus-crisis-economic-faq/#comment-496949</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2020 19:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think one of two things (or both) will happen:

1) exponential growth in confirmed cases continues for the next 1-2 weeks while testing catches up, even if social distancing is slowing down the true infection rate.  This will lead people to claim that it isn&#039;t working

2) eventually, the effects of social distancing  (and possibly warmer weather) will slow down the growth.  Those who were against shutting things down will claim that it was all overblown the whole time and it was going to slow down anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one of two things (or both) will happen:</p>
<p>1) exponential growth in confirmed cases continues for the next 1-2 weeks while testing catches up, even if social distancing is slowing down the true infection rate.  This will lead people to claim that it isn&#8217;t working</p>
<p>2) eventually, the effects of social distancing  (and possibly warmer weather) will slow down the growth.  Those who were against shutting things down will claim that it was all overblown the whole time and it was going to slow down anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>https://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/virus-crisis-economic-faq/#comment-496948</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2020 19:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/pandemic-timeline-1930-and-beyond.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Flu vaccines were developed in the 1940s&lt;/a&gt;, although they were more commonly available later.  And occasionally there are shortages.  But still, not clear on what you mean here.  You were unconcerned in the early 1940s?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/pandemic-timeline-1930-and-beyond.htm" rel="nofollow">Flu vaccines were developed in the 1940s</a>, although they were more commonly available later.  And occasionally there are shortages.  But still, not clear on what you mean here.  You were unconcerned in the early 1940s?</p>
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		<title>By: BC</title>
		<link>https://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/virus-crisis-economic-faq/#comment-496939</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2020 17:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It’s obscene how many people approve of this&quot;

Many of the commentariat are senior academics, public officials, executives, etc., age 60+ so, while not necessarily really elderly retirees, perhaps at somewhat elevated risk.  Many of the young commentariat, say progressive woke journalists, are infatuated with the idea that Americans&#039; excessive commercialism needs to be tempered by Lenten-like rituals of abstinence and atonement.  This could be an example of Bootleggers and Baptists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s obscene how many people approve of this&#8221;</p>
<p>Many of the commentariat are senior academics, public officials, executives, etc., age 60+ so, while not necessarily really elderly retirees, perhaps at somewhat elevated risk.  Many of the young commentariat, say progressive woke journalists, are infatuated with the idea that Americans&#8217; excessive commercialism needs to be tempered by Lenten-like rituals of abstinence and atonement.  This could be an example of Bootleggers and Baptists.</p>
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