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	<title>Comments on: What Would Keynes Have Done?</title>
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		<title>By: MikeP</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/what-would-keynes-have-done/#comment-120780</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Sep 2013 22:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops myself.  See reply above.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops myself.  See reply above.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeP</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/what-would-keynes-have-done/#comment-120779</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Sep 2013 22:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The biggest problem with Keynesian stimulus is that government spending beyond a small fraction of GDP is simply wildly inefficient.

There are three kinds of spending:  voluntary, transfer, and involuntary.  Except for the environs of usage fees, government doesn&#039;t participate too much in the first kind.  On the other hand, transfers such as Social Security and unemployment insurance are significant and may have some stimulative benefits if in fact reducing investment is stimulative.

Everything else the government does is involuntary spending -- spending that someone didn&#039;t choose to do with his own money and therefore something that person valued less than it cost.  One can fairly argue that some involuntary spending is on authentic public goods that the taxpayer really should have wanted to spend money on, such as actual defense or needed infrastructure improvements.  The trouble is that such spending is (a) small potatoes and (b) unchanged by recessions.

So Keynesian stimulus can really only increase spending on things that actively subtract from the economy.  Every dollar of stimulus actually makes us poorer because it makes the population pay for something we did not want.  A case could be made that the need to keep velocity in money so the recession does not become a depression is so important that it is worth burning 10% or 50% or more than 100% of every dollar spent.  But it&#039;s a hard case to make.  And you are still left with stimulus not correlating too well with actually increased income.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest problem with Keynesian stimulus is that government spending beyond a small fraction of GDP is simply wildly inefficient.</p>
<p>There are three kinds of spending:  voluntary, transfer, and involuntary.  Except for the environs of usage fees, government doesn&#8217;t participate too much in the first kind.  On the other hand, transfers such as Social Security and unemployment insurance are significant and may have some stimulative benefits if in fact reducing investment is stimulative.</p>
<p>Everything else the government does is involuntary spending &#8212; spending that someone didn&#8217;t choose to do with his own money and therefore something that person valued less than it cost.  One can fairly argue that some involuntary spending is on authentic public goods that the taxpayer really should have wanted to spend money on, such as actual defense or needed infrastructure improvements.  The trouble is that such spending is (a) small potatoes and (b) unchanged by recessions.</p>
<p>So Keynesian stimulus can really only increase spending on things that actively subtract from the economy.  Every dollar of stimulus actually makes us poorer because it makes the population pay for something we did not want.  A case could be made that the need to keep velocity in money so the recession does not become a depression is so important that it is worth burning 10% or 50% or more than 100% of every dollar spent.  But it&#8217;s a hard case to make.  And you are still left with stimulus not correlating too well with actually increased income.</p>
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		<title>By: Floccina</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/what-would-keynes-have-done/#comment-120622</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Sep 2013 19:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder is the biggest problem today with Keynesian stimulus is that government is too big.  So with government in good times already spending  as much as it can safely tax, that leaves insufficient room to increase spending.  So before the downturn Gov was 40% of GDP so to slap on another 20% for stimulus and you run up the debt so you need in the future to raise taxes but then you go negative on the Laffer curve but if before the downturn Gov was 15% of GDP and you slapped on another 20% for stimulus, you still can still easily raise taxes to cover it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder is the biggest problem today with Keynesian stimulus is that government is too big.  So with government in good times already spending  as much as it can safely tax, that leaves insufficient room to increase spending.  So before the downturn Gov was 40% of GDP so to slap on another 20% for stimulus and you run up the debt so you need in the future to raise taxes but then you go negative on the Laffer curve but if before the downturn Gov was 15% of GDP and you slapped on another 20% for stimulus, you still can still easily raise taxes to cover it.</p>
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		<title>By: Arnold Kling</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/what-would-keynes-have-done/#comment-120273</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arnold Kling]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Sep 2013 13:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oops.  that was my typo.  the original was correct, and I have now corrected the quote]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops.  that was my typo.  the original was correct, and I have now corrected the quote</p>
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		<title>By: MikeP</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/what-would-keynes-have-done/#comment-119295</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 16:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;They do not stop making carbon paper write away.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Heh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They do not stop making carbon paper write away.</p></blockquote>
<p>Heh.</p>
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