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		<title>By: Adrian Ratnapala</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adrian Ratnapala]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Human beings have propensities that makes them want to use piety to win social battles.  Pointing this it is at least as interesting as whatever specific topics Murray was talking about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Human beings have propensities that makes them want to use piety to win social battles.  Pointing this it is at least as interesting as whatever specific topics Murray was talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: JK Brown</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See if this sounds familiar.  The college kids in this observation went on to be the very efficient bureaucrats who implemented the Final Solution.

&quot;In the decade preceding the First World War Germany, the country most advanced on the path toward bureaucratic regimentation, witnessed the appearance of a phenomenon hitherto unheard of: the youth movement. Turbulent gangs of untidy boys and girls roamed the country, making much noise and shirking their school lessons. In bombastic words they announced the gospel of a golden age. All preceding generations, they emphasized, were simply idiotic; their incapacity has converted the earth into a hell. But the rising generation is no longer willing to endure gerontocracy, the supremacy of impotent and imbecile senility. Henceforth the brilliant youths will rule. They will destroy everything that is old and useless, they will reject all that was dear to their parents, they will substitute new real and substantial values and ideologies for the antiquated and false ones of capitalist and bourgeois civilization, and they will build a new society of giants and supermen. 

&quot;The inflated verbiage of these adolescents was only a poor disguise for their lack of any ideas and of any definite program. They had nothing to say but this: We are young and therefore chosen; we are ingenious because we are young; we are the carriers of the future; we are the deadly foes of the rotten bourgeois and Philistines. And if somebody was not afraid to ask them what their plans were, they knew only one answer: Our leaders will solve all problems.

&quot;It has always been the task of the new generation to provoke changes. But the characteristic feature of the youth movement was that they had neither new ideas nor plans. They called their action the youth movement precisely because they lacked any program which they could use to give a name to their endeavors. In fact they espoused entirely the program of their parents. They did not oppose the trend toward government omnipotence and bureaucratization. Their revolutionary radicalism was nothing but the impudence of the years between boyhood and manhood; it was a phenomenon of a protracted puberty. It was void of any ideological content. 

&quot;The chiefs of the youth movement were mentally unbalanced neurotics. Many of them were affected by a morbid sexuality, they were either profligate or homosexual. None of them excelled in any field of activity or contributed anything to human progress. Their names are long since forgotten; the only trace they left were some books and poems preaching sexual perversity. But the bulk of their followers were quite different. They had one aim only: to get a job as soon as possible with the government. Those who were not killed in the wars and revolutions are today pedantic and timid bureaucrats in the innumerable offices of the German Zwangswirtschaft. They are obedient and faithful slaves of Hitler. But they will be no less obedient and faithful handy men of Hitler’s successor, whether he is a German nationalist or a puppet of Stalin.&quot;

von Mises, Ludwig (1945). Bureaucracy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See if this sounds familiar.  The college kids in this observation went on to be the very efficient bureaucrats who implemented the Final Solution.</p>
<p>&#8220;In the decade preceding the First World War Germany, the country most advanced on the path toward bureaucratic regimentation, witnessed the appearance of a phenomenon hitherto unheard of: the youth movement. Turbulent gangs of untidy boys and girls roamed the country, making much noise and shirking their school lessons. In bombastic words they announced the gospel of a golden age. All preceding generations, they emphasized, were simply idiotic; their incapacity has converted the earth into a hell. But the rising generation is no longer willing to endure gerontocracy, the supremacy of impotent and imbecile senility. Henceforth the brilliant youths will rule. They will destroy everything that is old and useless, they will reject all that was dear to their parents, they will substitute new real and substantial values and ideologies for the antiquated and false ones of capitalist and bourgeois civilization, and they will build a new society of giants and supermen. </p>
<p>&#8220;The inflated verbiage of these adolescents was only a poor disguise for their lack of any ideas and of any definite program. They had nothing to say but this: We are young and therefore chosen; we are ingenious because we are young; we are the carriers of the future; we are the deadly foes of the rotten bourgeois and Philistines. And if somebody was not afraid to ask them what their plans were, they knew only one answer: Our leaders will solve all problems.</p>
<p>&#8220;It has always been the task of the new generation to provoke changes. But the characteristic feature of the youth movement was that they had neither new ideas nor plans. They called their action the youth movement precisely because they lacked any program which they could use to give a name to their endeavors. In fact they espoused entirely the program of their parents. They did not oppose the trend toward government omnipotence and bureaucratization. Their revolutionary radicalism was nothing but the impudence of the years between boyhood and manhood; it was a phenomenon of a protracted puberty. It was void of any ideological content. </p>
<p>&#8220;The chiefs of the youth movement were mentally unbalanced neurotics. Many of them were affected by a morbid sexuality, they were either profligate or homosexual. None of them excelled in any field of activity or contributed anything to human progress. Their names are long since forgotten; the only trace they left were some books and poems preaching sexual perversity. But the bulk of their followers were quite different. They had one aim only: to get a job as soon as possible with the government. Those who were not killed in the wars and revolutions are today pedantic and timid bureaucrats in the innumerable offices of the German Zwangswirtschaft. They are obedient and faithful slaves of Hitler. But they will be no less obedient and faithful handy men of Hitler’s successor, whether he is a German nationalist or a puppet of Stalin.&#8221;</p>
<p>von Mises, Ludwig (1945). Bureaucracy</p>
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		<title>By: bobroberts17e1</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2017 18:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those 20 year olds will be running the country here in a few years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those 20 year olds will be running the country here in a few years.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred_PA_2000</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred_PA_2000]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2017 15:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[asdf;
I observe on TV (esp. in the advertising) a disproportionate representation of minorities.  And we have an awful lot of white males who believe that they were denied a job or a promotion because of Affirmative Action&#039;s pressures.  (Indeed, any corporation that doesn&#039;t discriminate in favor of &quot;protected classes&quot; -- and hence against unprotected ones -- hasn&#039;t paid attention to the statistical requirements imposed by a doctrine of disparate impact.)
Unless you believe in hereditary racial guilt, you should reconsider whether the present approval of your friends outweighs the future of your children.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>asdf;<br />
I observe on TV (esp. in the advertising) a disproportionate representation of minorities.  And we have an awful lot of white males who believe that they were denied a job or a promotion because of Affirmative Action&#8217;s pressures.  (Indeed, any corporation that doesn&#8217;t discriminate in favor of &#8220;protected classes&#8221; &#8212; and hence against unprotected ones &#8212; hasn&#8217;t paid attention to the statistical requirements imposed by a doctrine of disparate impact.)<br />
Unless you believe in hereditary racial guilt, you should reconsider whether the present approval of your friends outweighs the future of your children.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred_PA_2000</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred_PA_2000]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2017 15:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think they already did.  
Middlebury being just the latest example.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they already did.<br />
Middlebury being just the latest example.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2017 01:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cant say that I care very much what a bunch of 20 y/o kids are doing on a campus. 

Steve]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cant say that I care very much what a bunch of 20 y/o kids are doing on a campus. </p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew'</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2017 00:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At what point do the brown shirts step in?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At what point do the brown shirts step in?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew'</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew']]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2017 23:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If blacks fall behind, why don&#039;t they just catch them up?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If blacks fall behind, why don&#8217;t they just catch them up?</p>
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		<title>By: William Newman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Newman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2017 22:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is an analysis that works until it doesn&#039;t. Early on (1400AD?) you can tamp down criticism about indulgences by making people afraid to criticize indulgences. But it is hard to arrange for only the critics to know about this policy, so in practice you tend to create an environment in which most people know that potential critics are generally silenced by their fear of criticizing indulgences. In such an environment, if you ever lose the ability to stamp out essentially all criticism --- e.g,. as critics learn to take advantage of cheap printing technology, and literacy spreads --- any bit of effective criticism that you failed to suppress hits like a truck because everyone knows that it was something that everyone was afraid to say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is an analysis that works until it doesn&#8217;t. Early on (1400AD?) you can tamp down criticism about indulgences by making people afraid to criticize indulgences. But it is hard to arrange for only the critics to know about this policy, so in practice you tend to create an environment in which most people know that potential critics are generally silenced by their fear of criticizing indulgences. In such an environment, if you ever lose the ability to stamp out essentially all criticism &#8212; e.g,. as critics learn to take advantage of cheap printing technology, and literacy spreads &#8212; any bit of effective criticism that you failed to suppress hits like a truck because everyone knows that it was something that everyone was afraid to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff R.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff R.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2017 22:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Charles de Gaulle once said of FDR and his post-war plans for Europe: &quot;his idealism masks a will to power.&quot; So it is with our campus crusaders.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles de Gaulle once said of FDR and his post-war plans for Europe: &#8220;his idealism masks a will to power.&#8221; So it is with our campus crusaders.</p>
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