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		<title>By: David Condon</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2016 23:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to agree with some other commenters that Gary Johnson ultimately just came across as incompetent.  He had occasionally come across to me as not serious enough.  I never had a moment while watching him where I said to myself: wow, this guy really understands the complexities of this issue.  That&#039;s fine.  Lots of politicians never give me that moment.  Paul Ryan and Barack Obama are the two exceptions I can think of.  The Aleppo thing didn&#039;t bother me. Foreign policy is supposed to be his weak point, and its kind of ridiculous to expect someone to have 200 countries, and their capitals memorized.  But he really blew it in the MSNBC interview when he couldn&#039;t name a foreign leader.  I think that was worse than Sarah Palin&#039;s Bush Doctrine moment. If a candidate can&#039;t take the time to learn the depth of major problems, then it&#039;s unlikely he&#039;s going to make the right decisions when confronted with them.  It really bugs me too because philosophically Gary Johnson is closer to my own views than just about any political candidate I&#039;ve seen.  But he&#039;s not qualified and never will be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with some other commenters that Gary Johnson ultimately just came across as incompetent.  He had occasionally come across to me as not serious enough.  I never had a moment while watching him where I said to myself: wow, this guy really understands the complexities of this issue.  That&#8217;s fine.  Lots of politicians never give me that moment.  Paul Ryan and Barack Obama are the two exceptions I can think of.  The Aleppo thing didn&#8217;t bother me. Foreign policy is supposed to be his weak point, and its kind of ridiculous to expect someone to have 200 countries, and their capitals memorized.  But he really blew it in the MSNBC interview when he couldn&#8217;t name a foreign leader.  I think that was worse than Sarah Palin&#8217;s Bush Doctrine moment. If a candidate can&#8217;t take the time to learn the depth of major problems, then it&#8217;s unlikely he&#8217;s going to make the right decisions when confronted with them.  It really bugs me too because philosophically Gary Johnson is closer to my own views than just about any political candidate I&#8217;ve seen.  But he&#8217;s not qualified and never will be.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Craig</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2016 17:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think Johnson is being held to any higher standard than any of the candidates in the primaries. He would have been out by South Carolina at the latest is he was running in the mainstream. As for him being sane, please watch the MSNBC video I referenced. He does not come across as sane by most people&#039;s definition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Johnson is being held to any higher standard than any of the candidates in the primaries. He would have been out by South Carolina at the latest is he was running in the mainstream. As for him being sane, please watch the MSNBC video I referenced. He does not come across as sane by most people&#8217;s definition.</p>
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		<title>By: John Thacker</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2016 20:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also note that GJ lacks a legion of surrogates who appear on every single show and defend and spin his statements. (There&#039;s also a secondary thing going on whereby people, including based on looks, tend to be viewed as innocent but dumb or smart but evil. There&#039;s a gender bias where women are more likely to be viewed as the former, but in this election GJ is innocent but dumb whereas Hillary is smart but evil. Trump is difficult for people to view him as evil as his comments because he comes off as a joker.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also note that GJ lacks a legion of surrogates who appear on every single show and defend and spin his statements. (There&#8217;s also a secondary thing going on whereby people, including based on looks, tend to be viewed as innocent but dumb or smart but evil. There&#8217;s a gender bias where women are more likely to be viewed as the former, but in this election GJ is innocent but dumb whereas Hillary is smart but evil. Trump is difficult for people to view him as evil as his comments because he comes off as a joker.)</p>
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		<title>By: John Thacker</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2016 19:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed, and I don&#039;t think that the Republicans or the Democrats did either. The nature of the two-party system generally means that someone on GJ&#039;s level is the best that the LP can possibly hope for. He&#039;s not bad, has experience, isn&#039;t corrupt and is sane.

What I&#039;ve seen is a bunch of people who decided to hold third party candidates to litmus tests that on average are much, much higher than they would hold a major party candidate to. (As from single issue pro-lifers, who generally would use their litmus test with any candidate, though.) Most people aren&#039;t that libertarian, either. Add that to the typical fading of any third party candidate, and I think that the LP did as well as could be expected.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, and I don&#8217;t think that the Republicans or the Democrats did either. The nature of the two-party system generally means that someone on GJ&#8217;s level is the best that the LP can possibly hope for. He&#8217;s not bad, has experience, isn&#8217;t corrupt and is sane.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;ve seen is a bunch of people who decided to hold third party candidates to litmus tests that on average are much, much higher than they would hold a major party candidate to. (As from single issue pro-lifers, who generally would use their litmus test with any candidate, though.) Most people aren&#8217;t that libertarian, either. Add that to the typical fading of any third party candidate, and I think that the LP did as well as could be expected.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bahner</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2016 03:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But when the American people decided they should take a good look at the Libertarians for a change, they saw goofy Gary Johnson with his tongue out.&quot;

I don&#039;t think the LP had a better candidate running for President.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But when the American people decided they should take a good look at the Libertarians for a change, they saw goofy Gary Johnson with his tongue out.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the LP had a better candidate running for President.</p>
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		<title>By: Lord</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think insurance is the largest reason with social being a large secondary one.  The way people want to live in housing tracts and communities like themselves and not in third world countries, the value that your neighbors house adds to yours, their kids adds to your school, their income and opportunities add to yours, that they have your back and you theirs, and that you are better off even if you have to help your neighbor.  The narrow focus on money and markets can undermine these conservative communal values.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think insurance is the largest reason with social being a large secondary one.  The way people want to live in housing tracts and communities like themselves and not in third world countries, the value that your neighbors house adds to yours, their kids adds to your school, their income and opportunities add to yours, that they have your back and you theirs, and that you are better off even if you have to help your neighbor.  The narrow focus on money and markets can undermine these conservative communal values.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Craig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2016 16:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Libertarians missed a huge opportunity. The Republicans will get to nominate another candidate in four years. The Libertarians had a chance to make their pitch to the American people in a way that they&#039;ve never had before. But when the American people decided they should take a good look at the Libertarians for a change, they saw goofy Gary Johnson with his tongue out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Libertarians missed a huge opportunity. The Republicans will get to nominate another candidate in four years. The Libertarians had a chance to make their pitch to the American people in a way that they&#8217;ve never had before. But when the American people decided they should take a good look at the Libertarians for a change, they saw goofy Gary Johnson with his tongue out.</p>
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		<title>By: Slocum</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2016 15:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Even on the grounds of much public policy libertarianism is not popular. How popular is Medicare again?&quot;

But classical liberalism doesn&#039;t preclude any and all social-safety net programs.  Yes, Libertarianism in the form of doctrinaire Miniarchism isn&#039;t popular.  But the small-l variety that means, roughly, &#039;more personal freedom plus more economic freedom&#039; has a lot more support.

&quot;Classical liberalism lost power over a couple of centuries. Why did it lose?&quot;

The rise of Fabian socialists in the UK and early Progressives in the US. took their voters and forced long-term political realignments.  Neither personal and economic freedoms become broadly unpopular, but they ended up split between left and right, leaving liberals in a very difficult position.

&quot;Does it have a realistic plan to get it back?&quot;

No -- nobody really knows how to force (or predict) major political realignments, and that&#039;s what&#039;s needed.

&quot;I think the weirdness of libertarianism reflects the weirdness of the philosophy. &quot;

What exactly is weird?  A belief in personal freedoms?  A belief in economic freedoms?  Or is a desire for both somehow an inherently strange combination?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Even on the grounds of much public policy libertarianism is not popular. How popular is Medicare again?&#8221;</p>
<p>But classical liberalism doesn&#8217;t preclude any and all social-safety net programs.  Yes, Libertarianism in the form of doctrinaire Miniarchism isn&#8217;t popular.  But the small-l variety that means, roughly, &#8216;more personal freedom plus more economic freedom&#8217; has a lot more support.</p>
<p>&#8220;Classical liberalism lost power over a couple of centuries. Why did it lose?&#8221;</p>
<p>The rise of Fabian socialists in the UK and early Progressives in the US. took their voters and forced long-term political realignments.  Neither personal and economic freedoms become broadly unpopular, but they ended up split between left and right, leaving liberals in a very difficult position.</p>
<p>&#8220;Does it have a realistic plan to get it back?&#8221;</p>
<p>No &#8212; nobody really knows how to force (or predict) major political realignments, and that&#8217;s what&#8217;s needed.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think the weirdness of libertarianism reflects the weirdness of the philosophy. &#8221;</p>
<p>What exactly is weird?  A belief in personal freedoms?  A belief in economic freedoms?  Or is a desire for both somehow an inherently strange combination?</p>
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		<title>By: asdf</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2016 15:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Some combination&quot; hides an awful lot of mileage.  Hank Hill libertarianism and libertarian philosophy are not the same thing.  Even on the grounds of much public policy libertarianism is not popular.  How popular is Medicare again?  Again, I think libertarians over-interpret some polls on the matter.

Classical liberalism lost power over a couple of centuries.  Why did it lose?  Does libertarianism know the answer?  Does it have a realistic plan to get it back?  For someone who likes many aspects of classic liberalism the complete silence on this issue shows the bankruptcy of libertarianism.

I think the weirdness of libertarianism reflects the weirdness of the philosophy.  Dressing up in tri-corn hats and going to Ron Paul rallies is just a manifestation of now knowing what century your in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Some combination&#8221; hides an awful lot of mileage.  Hank Hill libertarianism and libertarian philosophy are not the same thing.  Even on the grounds of much public policy libertarianism is not popular.  How popular is Medicare again?  Again, I think libertarians over-interpret some polls on the matter.</p>
<p>Classical liberalism lost power over a couple of centuries.  Why did it lose?  Does libertarianism know the answer?  Does it have a realistic plan to get it back?  For someone who likes many aspects of classic liberalism the complete silence on this issue shows the bankruptcy of libertarianism.</p>
<p>I think the weirdness of libertarianism reflects the weirdness of the philosophy.  Dressing up in tri-corn hats and going to Ron Paul rallies is just a manifestation of now knowing what century your in.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom G</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2016 14:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Dem Party has been kicking out Christians and, more slowly, Catholics -- who want a big, kind, Christian gov&#039;t to help the poor.

The Dems are becoming the top elites with &quot;moral superiority&quot; about &quot;helping the poor&quot;, with crony capitalism that keeps the poor locked in gov&#039;t dependency, poor education, poor prospects, and a never-ending narrative that these Dem gov&#039;t failures are really due to the Reps.

The low-tax, free-trade, family-values Reps are being invaded by Dem rejects, and even being taken over.  The top GOPe (establishment) seems quite comfy to be an ineffective opposition claiming powerlessness against Dem crony capitalists and the demonization of Christians, America, and white males.

While 70% of black kids do NOT live with both mothers &amp; fathers, there is an opportunity for Reps to gain black votes from the parents of those 30% kids who do live with their parents.  Thru better jobs for the working class. 

The racist whites won&#039;t take over the Reps, altho the Dem media will try to present it as if they are.

The Lib Party remains mostly white mail nerds, like I was!, doing their intellectual stimulation with Ayn Rand/ Robert Heinlein (like me!)/ and Robert Nozick.  Some smart girls, often cute (often horny! tho looking for not-too-weird alpha males), and even an occasional minority.   But they&#039;re like the &quot;anti-organization org&quot;.

I&#039;m really sad that they&#039;re mostly correct on economics &amp; freedom, but the public wants more &quot;free&quot; gov&#039;t benefits.

And, in fact, there&#039;s an economic law that is arguably NOT true: &quot;There&#039;s no free lunch&quot;.
But everybody HAS enjoyed a lunch or a hundred that they didn&#039;t pay for -- the lunch WAS free (meaning, somebody else paid for it).
As long as voters vote for such &quot;free&quot; stuff, there will be more popular politicians promising to give away free stuff today, to be paid for later, probably by somebody else.

The best future is for the Libs to propose specific legislation, like pot legalization or tax credits for school choice, that can be stolen/ copied by one of the other parties.
(Similar for the Greens, whom I call watermelons.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dem Party has been kicking out Christians and, more slowly, Catholics &#8212; who want a big, kind, Christian gov&#8217;t to help the poor.</p>
<p>The Dems are becoming the top elites with &#8220;moral superiority&#8221; about &#8220;helping the poor&#8221;, with crony capitalism that keeps the poor locked in gov&#8217;t dependency, poor education, poor prospects, and a never-ending narrative that these Dem gov&#8217;t failures are really due to the Reps.</p>
<p>The low-tax, free-trade, family-values Reps are being invaded by Dem rejects, and even being taken over.  The top GOPe (establishment) seems quite comfy to be an ineffective opposition claiming powerlessness against Dem crony capitalists and the demonization of Christians, America, and white males.</p>
<p>While 70% of black kids do NOT live with both mothers &amp; fathers, there is an opportunity for Reps to gain black votes from the parents of those 30% kids who do live with their parents.  Thru better jobs for the working class. </p>
<p>The racist whites won&#8217;t take over the Reps, altho the Dem media will try to present it as if they are.</p>
<p>The Lib Party remains mostly white mail nerds, like I was!, doing their intellectual stimulation with Ayn Rand/ Robert Heinlein (like me!)/ and Robert Nozick.  Some smart girls, often cute (often horny! tho looking for not-too-weird alpha males), and even an occasional minority.   But they&#8217;re like the &#8220;anti-organization org&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really sad that they&#8217;re mostly correct on economics &amp; freedom, but the public wants more &#8220;free&#8221; gov&#8217;t benefits.</p>
<p>And, in fact, there&#8217;s an economic law that is arguably NOT true: &#8220;There&#8217;s no free lunch&#8221;.<br />
But everybody HAS enjoyed a lunch or a hundred that they didn&#8217;t pay for &#8212; the lunch WAS free (meaning, somebody else paid for it).<br />
As long as voters vote for such &#8220;free&#8221; stuff, there will be more popular politicians promising to give away free stuff today, to be paid for later, probably by somebody else.</p>
<p>The best future is for the Libs to propose specific legislation, like pot legalization or tax credits for school choice, that can be stolen/ copied by one of the other parties.<br />
(Similar for the Greens, whom I call watermelons.)</p>
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