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		<title>By: Arnold Kling</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/the-fed-as-a-bank/#comment-461216</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arnold Kling]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2015 22:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I doubt that the Fed could cause a Depression.  By itself, it can only cause inflation by growing tremendously.  The non-linearity is that inflation expectations are anchored, so that people have to perceive a regime change in order for inflation to get much higher.  To get hyperinflation, people need to be convinced that they cannot safely lend to the government to finance its deficits, leaving money-printing on an ever-increasing scale as the only option.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt that the Fed could cause a Depression.  By itself, it can only cause inflation by growing tremendously.  The non-linearity is that inflation expectations are anchored, so that people have to perceive a regime change in order for inflation to get much higher.  To get hyperinflation, people need to be convinced that they cannot safely lend to the government to finance its deficits, leaving money-printing on an ever-increasing scale as the only option.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/the-fed-as-a-bank/#comment-461213</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2015 19:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the thoughtful reply.  It&#039;s a good point that the Fed would make huge losses if it jacked up the interest rate on reserves to 8%. And it is of course a ridiculous example, but I think it&#039;s useful to imagine two extreme cases, one in which the Fed torpedoes NGDP and one in which it causes NGDP explode and then reason that somewhere in between lies an intermediate case where the Fed can push some nominal variable toward a reasonable target. 

If I am interpreting your reply correctly, it is basically that the Fed is constrained legally or politically from taking the kind of drastic actions that would clearly push NGDP up or down. I think implicitly you also have some model in mind in which the Fed&#039;s impact on NGDP is highly nonlinear: Fed can either accept the status quo (the Fed looks impotent), cause a depression, or cause hyperinflation, but nothing in between. I am curious as to what makes a model of the economy work like that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the thoughtful reply.  It&#8217;s a good point that the Fed would make huge losses if it jacked up the interest rate on reserves to 8%. And it is of course a ridiculous example, but I think it&#8217;s useful to imagine two extreme cases, one in which the Fed torpedoes NGDP and one in which it causes NGDP explode and then reason that somewhere in between lies an intermediate case where the Fed can push some nominal variable toward a reasonable target. </p>
<p>If I am interpreting your reply correctly, it is basically that the Fed is constrained legally or politically from taking the kind of drastic actions that would clearly push NGDP up or down. I think implicitly you also have some model in mind in which the Fed&#8217;s impact on NGDP is highly nonlinear: Fed can either accept the status quo (the Fed looks impotent), cause a depression, or cause hyperinflation, but nothing in between. I am curious as to what makes a model of the economy work like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Shayne Cook</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/the-fed-as-a-bank/#comment-461178</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shayne Cook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2015 15:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rossle:

You cite Arnold&#039;s, &quot;I think of the Fed as a bank ... profits ...[and later] ... losses ...&quot; depiction of the Fed. 

You then state, &quot;That is historically true.&quot;

I have to say that Arnold&#039;s depiction/characterization of the Fed in this way is not only not true, it hasn&#039;t ever been true. Arnold&#039;s depiction of the Fed is a rather gross non sequitur - a complete logical fallacy. 

How could the accountancy concepts of &quot;profit&quot; and/or &quot;loss&quot; possibly apply or even be relevant to the Fed - the one sole entity in the universe that has the pre-existing statutory authority to &quot;print/create&quot; money?

I apologize to you in advance if this comment seems to be picking on, or criticizing, &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt;. I don&#039;t have that intent at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rossle:</p>
<p>You cite Arnold&#8217;s, &#8220;I think of the Fed as a bank &#8230; profits &#8230;[and later] &#8230; losses &#8230;&#8221; depiction of the Fed. </p>
<p>You then state, &#8220;That is historically true.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have to say that Arnold&#8217;s depiction/characterization of the Fed in this way is not only not true, it hasn&#8217;t ever been true. Arnold&#8217;s depiction of the Fed is a rather gross non sequitur &#8211; a complete logical fallacy. </p>
<p>How could the accountancy concepts of &#8220;profit&#8221; and/or &#8220;loss&#8221; possibly apply or even be relevant to the Fed &#8211; the one sole entity in the universe that has the pre-existing statutory authority to &#8220;print/create&#8221; money?</p>
<p>I apologize to you in advance if this comment seems to be picking on, or criticizing, <i>you</i>. I don&#8217;t have that intent at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Rossle</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/the-fed-as-a-bank/#comment-461171</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2015 03:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I think of the Fed as a bank. It makes profits in a weird way. It requires banks to hold reserves, and then it imposes a tax on those reserves by paying a below-market interest rate.&quot; 

This is historically true.

However, this is not an accurate description of Fed activity in the post-2008 ZIRP model, in which excess reserves have played a major role and a much more important role than required reserves.

Since 2008 the Fed&#039;s monetary expansion, designed to help liquify credit markets and avoid deflation, has been &quot;pushing on a string&quot; i.e. confronting stubborn declines in velocity as a combination of slack loan demand, post-crisis bank conservatism, regulatory pressures on solvency/capital ratios, and interest paid on reserves have caused banks to effectively sterilize the feds quantitative easing by maintaining burgeoning balances of reserves. 

The Fed, in order to maintain a positive floor on nominal interest rates (and later, I think, with the motive of sterilizing quantitative easing which was really intended to skew credit allocation and generate wealth effects), began paying interest on excess reserves in October of 2008 and has done so ever since. How they will treat excess reserves as they raise short rates (an operation fraught at this time with the risks of intensifying flows out of EM-funding carry trades and into the Dolllar with exchange rate effects problematic on both sides) is an interesting question.

If they don&#039;t keep interest on reserves competitive with short rates and they don&#039;t raise the level of required reserves then excess reserves will drain out of the Fed system with monetary and/or short-rate issues (via re-establishing fractional reserve multipliers on hitherto reserves and/or bank&#039;s substitution purchases of short paper e.g. t-bills driving short rates below Fed target) as well as credit allocation and fiscal implications (the latter two via the Fed&#039;s sales of treasuries/agencies and concomitant back-up in yields).  If the Fed does keep paying interest on large amounts of (excess) reserves in-line with rising short rates or raise required reserves to high levels (while continuing to pay interest on reserves) they will be making massive and politically unpalatable amounts of money to primary dealers depositing at the Fed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think of the Fed as a bank. It makes profits in a weird way. It requires banks to hold reserves, and then it imposes a tax on those reserves by paying a below-market interest rate.&#8221; </p>
<p>This is historically true.</p>
<p>However, this is not an accurate description of Fed activity in the post-2008 ZIRP model, in which excess reserves have played a major role and a much more important role than required reserves.</p>
<p>Since 2008 the Fed&#8217;s monetary expansion, designed to help liquify credit markets and avoid deflation, has been &#8220;pushing on a string&#8221; i.e. confronting stubborn declines in velocity as a combination of slack loan demand, post-crisis bank conservatism, regulatory pressures on solvency/capital ratios, and interest paid on reserves have caused banks to effectively sterilize the feds quantitative easing by maintaining burgeoning balances of reserves. </p>
<p>The Fed, in order to maintain a positive floor on nominal interest rates (and later, I think, with the motive of sterilizing quantitative easing which was really intended to skew credit allocation and generate wealth effects), began paying interest on excess reserves in October of 2008 and has done so ever since. How they will treat excess reserves as they raise short rates (an operation fraught at this time with the risks of intensifying flows out of EM-funding carry trades and into the Dolllar with exchange rate effects problematic on both sides) is an interesting question.</p>
<p>If they don&#8217;t keep interest on reserves competitive with short rates and they don&#8217;t raise the level of required reserves then excess reserves will drain out of the Fed system with monetary and/or short-rate issues (via re-establishing fractional reserve multipliers on hitherto reserves and/or bank&#8217;s substitution purchases of short paper e.g. t-bills driving short rates below Fed target) as well as credit allocation and fiscal implications (the latter two via the Fed&#8217;s sales of treasuries/agencies and concomitant back-up in yields).  If the Fed does keep paying interest on large amounts of (excess) reserves in-line with rising short rates or raise required reserves to high levels (while continuing to pay interest on reserves) they will be making massive and politically unpalatable amounts of money to primary dealers depositing at the Fed.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/the-fed-as-a-bank/#comment-461170</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Corey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2015 02:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When the Fed pays interest on reserves isn&#039;t this new money? It would seem to me that they can pay any interest on reserves they want because they can create any balance of reserves they want. I&#039;m not sure I follow #1 in your argument.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the Fed pays interest on reserves isn&#8217;t this new money? It would seem to me that they can pay any interest on reserves they want because they can create any balance of reserves they want. I&#8217;m not sure I follow #1 in your argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence D'Anna</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/the-fed-as-a-bank/#comment-461169</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lawrence D'Anna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2015 20:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Huh?   The central bank is trading in securities markets that are a lot more efficient than labour markets.   Nobody is assuming any market is perfectly efficient.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh?   The central bank is trading in securities markets that are a lot more efficient than labour markets.   Nobody is assuming any market is perfectly efficient.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence D'Anna</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/the-fed-as-a-bank/#comment-461168</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lawrence D'Anna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2015 20:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not M2, literally just cash, reserves, and coins.   M2 includes bank deposits and other things that are not base money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not M2, literally just cash, reserves, and coins.   M2 includes bank deposits and other things that are not base money.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan W.</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/the-fed-as-a-bank/#comment-461167</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2015 18:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NGDPLT can only exist as a tautology. For it supposes two things that cannot both be true. On the one it it claims monetary intervention is required because prices in the real world do not adjust fast enough (ie sticky wages). On the other hand it supposes the central bank can trade in a market that is efficient and where prices are not sticky.

There is another problem with activist monetary policy. At some point the bank&#039;s book will become so large it will influence the market. We had this once. It was called LTCM. It failed. So too will activist monetary policy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NGDPLT can only exist as a tautology. For it supposes two things that cannot both be true. On the one it it claims monetary intervention is required because prices in the real world do not adjust fast enough (ie sticky wages). On the other hand it supposes the central bank can trade in a market that is efficient and where prices are not sticky.</p>
<p>There is another problem with activist monetary policy. At some point the bank&#8217;s book will become so large it will influence the market. We had this once. It was called LTCM. It failed. So too will activist monetary policy.</p>
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		<title>By: baconbacon</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/the-fed-as-a-bank/#comment-461166</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[baconbacon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2015 18:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So M2?  There does not seem to be a discernible relationship between nGDP growth and M2 growth over the past 35 years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So M2?  There does not seem to be a discernible relationship between nGDP growth and M2 growth over the past 35 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence D'Anna</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/the-fed-as-a-bank/#comment-461165</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lawrence D'Anna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2015 18:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Central bank reserves, cash, and coins.

Or more generally: &quot;the kind of money that every other kind of money promises to be redeemable in.   The kind of money that serves as a unit of account&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Central bank reserves, cash, and coins.</p>
<p>Or more generally: &#8220;the kind of money that every other kind of money promises to be redeemable in.   The kind of money that serves as a unit of account&#8221;</p>
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