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	<title>Comments on: Reverse Mortgages</title>
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	<description>taking the most charitable view of those who disagree</description>
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		<title>By: Lord</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/reverse-mortgages/#comment-466427</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lord]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2016 04:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The point is the risk is the insurers, not the banks.  Baring the apocalypse, the bank will profit.  It is a sure thing for them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is the risk is the insurers, not the banks.  Baring the apocalypse, the bank will profit.  It is a sure thing for them.</p>
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		<title>By: collin</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/reverse-mortgages/#comment-466395</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2016 13:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My in-laws got a reverse mortgage and probably the simplest way of stating the program is it allows relatively new retirees to continue living the same lifestyle with retirement as opposed to cutting back.  And what they are losing the money to pay for when they can&#039;t live independently or inheritance to their kids or grandkids.  It is probably a bad deal in the long run but the retirees may value the money a lot more between 65 to 75 versus paying it all at assisted living at 84.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My in-laws got a reverse mortgage and probably the simplest way of stating the program is it allows relatively new retirees to continue living the same lifestyle with retirement as opposed to cutting back.  And what they are losing the money to pay for when they can&#8217;t live independently or inheritance to their kids or grandkids.  It is probably a bad deal in the long run but the retirees may value the money a lot more between 65 to 75 versus paying it all at assisted living at 84.</p>
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		<title>By: Foobarista</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/reverse-mortgages/#comment-466389</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2016 23:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My mom had a reverse mortgage.  The originator sold the note to a company that mostly operates as a collection agency.  After she died, that company came at us with both barrels not long after her corpse was cold; a notice of default was put on her door the day of her funeral.

After reading the note, it was written in such a way that it was in in immediate default as soon as the person dies.  We had 30 days to settle the note after getting the notice of default.  

Since the note was relatively small compared to the price of the house, we wanted to simply pay it off so we could sell the house after fixing it up, but this outfit even made this quite difficult.  Fortunately, we got the note paid off within a few days of the actual foreclosure process starting (after that, we would have owed a couple tens of thousands in legal fees as well as the note balance).

From their docs, it was clear that they simply wanted us to hand them the deed, or have them sell the house for us (doubtless for hundreds of thousands less than market value - the house is in Silicon Valley, not far from the new Apple HQ).  They made it quite difficult to actually get pay-off wire instructions and it took two weeks to get it done.

Reverse mortgages strike me as having severe &quot;agency issues&quot;: the people who have to settle the mortgage are not the people who got it (even the collection agency&#039;s customer service is top-notch to the people who got the mortgage).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mom had a reverse mortgage.  The originator sold the note to a company that mostly operates as a collection agency.  After she died, that company came at us with both barrels not long after her corpse was cold; a notice of default was put on her door the day of her funeral.</p>
<p>After reading the note, it was written in such a way that it was in in immediate default as soon as the person dies.  We had 30 days to settle the note after getting the notice of default.  </p>
<p>Since the note was relatively small compared to the price of the house, we wanted to simply pay it off so we could sell the house after fixing it up, but this outfit even made this quite difficult.  Fortunately, we got the note paid off within a few days of the actual foreclosure process starting (after that, we would have owed a couple tens of thousands in legal fees as well as the note balance).</p>
<p>From their docs, it was clear that they simply wanted us to hand them the deed, or have them sell the house for us (doubtless for hundreds of thousands less than market value &#8211; the house is in Silicon Valley, not far from the new Apple HQ).  They made it quite difficult to actually get pay-off wire instructions and it took two weeks to get it done.</p>
<p>Reverse mortgages strike me as having severe &#8220;agency issues&#8221;: the people who have to settle the mortgage are not the people who got it (even the collection agency&#8217;s customer service is top-notch to the people who got the mortgage).</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew'</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/reverse-mortgages/#comment-466388</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2016 20:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; It is as sure a certainty they will profit from it as anything.&quot;

Sigh. Should I just let all these go? I don&#039;t know. Things are different because they are different things. Whole life annuities are worse than other kinds of annuities. Reverse mortgages are probably worse than regular mortgages. Banks can do good things and bad things. It&#039;s not their job to decide which profitable things are good and which are evil, that&#039;s our job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; It is as sure a certainty they will profit from it as anything.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sigh. Should I just let all these go? I don&#8217;t know. Things are different because they are different things. Whole life annuities are worse than other kinds of annuities. Reverse mortgages are probably worse than regular mortgages. Banks can do good things and bad things. It&#8217;s not their job to decide which profitable things are good and which are evil, that&#8217;s our job.</p>
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		<title>By: Lord</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/reverse-mortgages/#comment-466387</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lord]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2016 20:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Selling at a discount to equalize npvs.  Don&#039;t forget you are also paying for insurance to indemnify the bank against loss.  It is as sure a certainty they will profit from it as anything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Selling at a discount to equalize npvs.  Don&#8217;t forget you are also paying for insurance to indemnify the bank against loss.  It is as sure a certainty they will profit from it as anything.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/reverse-mortgages/#comment-466385</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2016 18:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed. Also, if it is too good to be true, it probably is too good to be true.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. Also, if it is too good to be true, it probably is too good to be true.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew'</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/reverse-mortgages/#comment-466382</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2016 14:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My thing is if I can&#039;t understand it in 10 seconds you probably shouldn&#039;t do it. I don&#039;t think many people like that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thing is if I can&#8217;t understand it in 10 seconds you probably shouldn&#8217;t do it. I don&#8217;t think many people like that.</p>
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