Comments on: Political speech to close minds

By: asdf

asdf — Sat, 06 May 2017 13:08:25 +0000

In the long run there is no Republican party without deportations. Nor a libertarian party. Nor anything other then vacillation between carious kinds of progressivism.

By: asdf

asdf — Sat, 06 May 2017 13:05:50 +0000

Many of us have probably been in a relationship and noted the moment, we can see it so clearly in the body language, where our partner is waiting to find out what our opinion is so they can adopt it themselves, whatever it is.

By: EMichael

EMichael — Sat, 06 May 2017 04:20:21 +0000

Sorry, but you think anyone but Trump would sign on to this healthcare apocalypse?

Oh, and they continued long, long after the primary was over in covering this menace. Pretty clearly shown in the link I provided.

By: djf

djf — Fri, 05 May 2017 20:57:30 +0000

This is exactly right. Most people aren’t subject to “persuasion” at all on public issues, they just try to figure out what opinions they need to affirm to get along and fit in. Thus, MSM propaganda blaming the “Right” for every problem is not so much persuading anyone as signaling to non-thinkers which side they should be on. This also explains how people can be maneuvered into voting against their own interests (whether by Right or Left) or contrary to their own professed values (as, for example, when pro-Lifers vote for Democrats) – they are not independently reflecting on how the policies of the candidates they are voting for will affect their interests or advance their values but responding to signals indicating which candidate is socially acceptable.

By: collin

collin — Fri, 05 May 2017 19:49:51 +0000

Well hasn,t the MSM really lost its position since 1990? Network news is almost afterthought and MSM focuses only on WaPo and NYT. And Fox News is as much impact on media as WaPo or NYT. And also since NYT and WaPo have had higher subscriptions being ‘Anti-Trump’ then maybe they are not the MSM anymore.

By: collin

collin — Fri, 05 May 2017 19:46:33 +0000

Judging by the 2016 there is Party re-alignment in process and we don’t know what that is. (To honest the Party re-alignment of Clinton versus Reagan lasted a while.) I do remember seeing HRC campaign advertise spending in GA and a couple trips to TX and thinking she has a plan to win 2024.

And yes Democrats are moving Urban and Republican rural with battles in suburbia but I don’t all this shakes out.

By: collin

collin — Fri, 05 May 2017 19:43:31 +0000

In terms of liberal MSM, we tend to focus on NYT and WaPo and yes they dominated useless Liberal Hawks and Neocons. To be honest, I am not sure why that is because most Democrats did not agree with either Obama or Trump bombing Syria in 2013 or 2017. Or that Obama beat HRC in 2008 because she voted for Iraq.

Frankly, I wish we did cut military spending $300B and cut corporate taxes by $300 B as most military spending is assisting other nations.

By: collin

collin — Fri, 05 May 2017 19:38:57 +0000

Maybe I think NPR is F’ awful as well. Yea, it really does sound like listening to bad college professor.

By: asdf

asdf — Fri, 05 May 2017 19:24:27 +0000

Liberal media gave Trump lots of free negative coverage. Turned out though that they were so far off from most of the country that what they thought was negative was viewed as a positive by many.

By: asdf

asdf — Fri, 05 May 2017 19:21:41 +0000

You would need some kind of grand bargain on the things they conflict on. Immigration. Trade. Freedom of Association/Religious Freedom.

Not all of it would have to be based on government policy either. Some of it would just be cultural. Could libertarians admit sexual libertinism has been a disaster? Admit that what they see at a gay pride parade is grotesque? Most seem unwilling to question these things as private individuals (hey man, that self destructive behavior is just like your choice and stuff). I don’t think its primarily just about government policy.

Such are bargain might exist, but it would only come about if they agreed the alternative was worse and engaged in a lot of real politik. You’ll also need more personal courage then many of those groups have shown in the past.

That said, Donald Trump did show the way if anyone wanted to follow up.