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		<title>By: Andrew'</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/my-feelings-about-the-election/#comment-465743</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2016 14:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Want to lay odds?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want to lay odds?</p>
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		<title>By: andrewknorr</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/my-feelings-about-the-election/#comment-465741</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2016 11:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[a) build a wall: definitely. He can&#039;t back off the wall. 

b) ban Muslim entry: no but he could make it difficult to get a visa from Muslim countries, that would be easy enough. Just don&#039;t assign consular officers to Saudia Arabia, Egypt, etc. He could also deport all visa overstayers, which is probably the prime source of Muslim illegal immigration. Also restrict refugee resettlement, etc. So he could definitely make a dent in Muslim immigration. 

c) take out family members: the DOJ  is already going after the SB killers family members. It&#039;s a perfectly reasonable tactic practiced by places like Israel and Russia. The fact the other candidates are unaware just shows that Trump has more curiousity 

d) 

c) deport 10 million: not every speeder has to be caught, but there does have to be a reasonable threat of getting a ticket. All he has to do is bring back the threat of deportation to a) serve as deterrent and b) encourage self-deportation. 

d)  bring back torture: remember, it was the &quot;principled,&quot; &quot;morally serious,&quot; &quot;constitutionalist&quot; Ben Sasse who helped John Yoo draft his torture memos. He was chief of staff for the Department of Justice&#039;s Office of Legal Policy, when the department produced the &quot;torture memos&quot; between 2003 and 2005. So if you&#039;re opposed to torture (as I am) keep the neocons from power, and that includes Hillary. 

So yeah, Trump will probably make good progress on most of his promises.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a) build a wall: definitely. He can&#8217;t back off the wall. </p>
<p>b) ban Muslim entry: no but he could make it difficult to get a visa from Muslim countries, that would be easy enough. Just don&#8217;t assign consular officers to Saudia Arabia, Egypt, etc. He could also deport all visa overstayers, which is probably the prime source of Muslim illegal immigration. Also restrict refugee resettlement, etc. So he could definitely make a dent in Muslim immigration. </p>
<p>c) take out family members: the DOJ  is already going after the SB killers family members. It&#8217;s a perfectly reasonable tactic practiced by places like Israel and Russia. The fact the other candidates are unaware just shows that Trump has more curiousity </p>
<p>d) </p>
<p>c) deport 10 million: not every speeder has to be caught, but there does have to be a reasonable threat of getting a ticket. All he has to do is bring back the threat of deportation to a) serve as deterrent and b) encourage self-deportation. </p>
<p>d)  bring back torture: remember, it was the &#8220;principled,&#8221; &#8220;morally serious,&#8221; &#8220;constitutionalist&#8221; Ben Sasse who helped John Yoo draft his torture memos. He was chief of staff for the Department of Justice&#8217;s Office of Legal Policy, when the department produced the &#8220;torture memos&#8221; between 2003 and 2005. So if you&#8217;re opposed to torture (as I am) keep the neocons from power, and that includes Hillary. </p>
<p>So yeah, Trump will probably make good progress on most of his promises.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew'</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/my-feelings-about-the-election/#comment-465740</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2016 10:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you think Trump will: build a wall, ban all muslim entry, deport 10 million people, &quot;Take out&quot; ISIS/terrorist family members, bring back torture, &quot;bomb ISIS,&quot; bring back jobs...?

Some of these are difficult to imagine how they could even have any meaning. How do you &quot;bomb isis&quot;? (Let alone carpet bombing, which I&#039;m giving him the benefit of the doubt of having no clue what he is talking about)


But even accepting what Trump might think he means fot the sake of argument, do you believe hr actually intends to pursue all of them? Why or why  not? Which ones do you believe? Why?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think Trump will: build a wall, ban all muslim entry, deport 10 million people, &#8220;Take out&#8221; ISIS/terrorist family members, bring back torture, &#8220;bomb ISIS,&#8221; bring back jobs&#8230;?</p>
<p>Some of these are difficult to imagine how they could even have any meaning. How do you &#8220;bomb isis&#8221;? (Let alone carpet bombing, which I&#8217;m giving him the benefit of the doubt of having no clue what he is talking about)</p>
<p>But even accepting what Trump might think he means fot the sake of argument, do you believe hr actually intends to pursue all of them? Why or why  not? Which ones do you believe? Why?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew'</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/my-feelings-about-the-election/#comment-465739</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2016 02:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Btw, the one defining feature of Trump is that it is impossible to figure out what he is saying, let alone predict his behavior.

All we have to go off of is extreme narcissism.

You don&#039;t see how abstaining from endorsing either extreme narcissism or paranoid megalomania are a perfectly rational option?

Because your assumptions are based on voting matter ing and math says it doesn&#039;t. And what if Gary Johson actually got to spoiler territory...well...and? Spoil what?

And also don&#039;t discount cognitive biases, either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw, the one defining feature of Trump is that it is impossible to figure out what he is saying, let alone predict his behavior.</p>
<p>All we have to go off of is extreme narcissism.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t see how abstaining from endorsing either extreme narcissism or paranoid megalomania are a perfectly rational option?</p>
<p>Because your assumptions are based on voting matter ing and math says it doesn&#8217;t. And what if Gary Johson actually got to spoiler territory&#8230;well&#8230;and? Spoil what?</p>
<p>And also don&#8217;t discount cognitive biases, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew'</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/my-feelings-about-the-election/#comment-465738</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2016 02:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1. So that it won&#039;t only he an A/B choice in the future.
2. There is no reason to believe Trump is objectively better than Hillary. For example, you want to hang his hat on that he was like anyone else with a brain in knowing the Iraq invasion was bad? Think about that. It proves nothing about what he will do for different examples in the future.
3. You are worse than wasting your vote voting for Hillary or Trump.

However, I do agree that his tanking the party&#039;s prospects this election are a sink costm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. So that it won&#8217;t only he an A/B choice in the future.<br />
2. There is no reason to believe Trump is objectively better than Hillary. For example, you want to hang his hat on that he was like anyone else with a brain in knowing the Iraq invasion was bad? Think about that. It proves nothing about what he will do for different examples in the future.<br />
3. You are worse than wasting your vote voting for Hillary or Trump.</p>
<p>However, I do agree that his tanking the party&#8217;s prospects this election are a sink costm</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew'</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/my-feelings-about-the-election/#comment-465736</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2016 02:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First of all, he is lying about &quot;SWASTIKA&quot; cakes.
 Second, your vote doesn&#039;t count either. Except that it counts toward reinforcing the two party system that is THE REASON we have the two worst choices ever offered.

So, again, why? Your vote isn&#039;t going to put Trump in office. And why would you risk leaving your keyboard for what little benefit there is, if there is any, and there isn&#039;t by the way, of Trump over Hillary?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, he is lying about &#8220;SWASTIKA&#8221; cakes.<br />
 Second, your vote doesn&#8217;t count either. Except that it counts toward reinforcing the two party system that is THE REASON we have the two worst choices ever offered.</p>
<p>So, again, why? Your vote isn&#8217;t going to put Trump in office. And why would you risk leaving your keyboard for what little benefit there is, if there is any, and there isn&#8217;t by the way, of Trump over Hillary?</p>
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		<title>By: Levi Russell</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/my-feelings-about-the-election/#comment-465732</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Levi Russell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2016 17:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not saying they would prevent him from getting elected, I&#039;m saying that everything he does would be scrutinized. 

If Hillary is elected, every anti-&quot;liberal&quot; thing she did would be Voxsplained to us. Justifications would pour forth from CNN, MSNBC, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not saying they would prevent him from getting elected, I&#8217;m saying that everything he does would be scrutinized. </p>
<p>If Hillary is elected, every anti-&#8220;liberal&#8221; thing she did would be Voxsplained to us. Justifications would pour forth from CNN, MSNBC, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: asdf</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2016 13:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While its overly simplistic to say the purpose of all actions is to bring about desired outcomes, it&#039;s probably a good yard stick most of the time.

The purpose of your vote should be to achieve some outcome.  If you like Johnson&#039;s policies, but voting for him is unlikely to bring about those policies, what&#039;s the point?  

I don&#039;t just mean it in the is Johnson likely to win the election sense, but also that the policies themselves might be self refuting.  For years libertarians pushed for open borders republicans.  Now the demographics are such that only welfare supporting leftists can win.  They pushed LGBT, now we are forced to pay for everyones anti-retrovirals and sex changes operations via Obamacare, and those people still aren&#039;t going to vote libertarian ever.

Even if a libertarian was against forcing someone to bake a cake *in theory*, what realistic plan do they have for bringing about a state of society where someone is free to decide whether they bake a cake?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While its overly simplistic to say the purpose of all actions is to bring about desired outcomes, it&#8217;s probably a good yard stick most of the time.</p>
<p>The purpose of your vote should be to achieve some outcome.  If you like Johnson&#8217;s policies, but voting for him is unlikely to bring about those policies, what&#8217;s the point?  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t just mean it in the is Johnson likely to win the election sense, but also that the policies themselves might be self refuting.  For years libertarians pushed for open borders republicans.  Now the demographics are such that only welfare supporting leftists can win.  They pushed LGBT, now we are forced to pay for everyones anti-retrovirals and sex changes operations via Obamacare, and those people still aren&#8217;t going to vote libertarian ever.</p>
<p>Even if a libertarian was against forcing someone to bake a cake *in theory*, what realistic plan do they have for bringing about a state of society where someone is free to decide whether they bake a cake?</p>
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		<title>By: Massimo</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2016 13:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What does Kling find so terrible about Trump? Trump will hopefully be less hawkish on military intervention, and a modest right wing type about domestic policy. Larry Kudlow running economics sounds fairly good.

The election is an A/B test between Trump/Clinton. Why vote for someone else who has absolutely no chance of winning?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does Kling find so terrible about Trump? Trump will hopefully be less hawkish on military intervention, and a modest right wing type about domestic policy. Larry Kudlow running economics sounds fairly good.</p>
<p>The election is an A/B test between Trump/Clinton. Why vote for someone else who has absolutely no chance of winning?</p>
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		<title>By: andrewknorr</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2016 09:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s the old &quot;if you believe in anything, you&#039;ll fall for everything&quot; phenomenon. Libertarians worship at the altar of liberty, &quot;Liberty&quot; simply signifying an absence of any definite content. That empty bottle is then filled with whatever happens to be available. Today it&#039;s social justice, yesterday it was free market economics, tomorrow who knows what it might be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the old &#8220;if you believe in anything, you&#8217;ll fall for everything&#8221; phenomenon. Libertarians worship at the altar of liberty, &#8220;Liberty&#8221; simply signifying an absence of any definite content. That empty bottle is then filled with whatever happens to be available. Today it&#8217;s social justice, yesterday it was free market economics, tomorrow who knows what it might be.</p>
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