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		<title>By: Rick Hull</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/my-chips/#comment-462716</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Hull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2015 03:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone dare to take a stab?  What this preferred axis of Daesh insiders?  Their opposition?  Is it the same axis?  Is there perhaps a 4th axis oriented around dogma and heresy?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone dare to take a stab?  What this preferred axis of Daesh insiders?  Their opposition?  Is it the same axis?  Is there perhaps a 4th axis oriented around dogma and heresy?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew'</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/my-chips/#comment-462709</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2015 21:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is the upside?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the upside?</p>
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		<title>By: TR5749</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/my-chips/#comment-462701</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2015 18:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Most Muslims are not radicals, but did it help that most Germans were not Nazis?&quot;

That is true; indeed, the VAST majority of Muslims are not radicals (at least as defined by the standard of violent Islamist jihadists).   However based on my (admittedly limited and possibly not representative) experience, the core values of those &quot;moderate&quot; Muslims have much more in common with radical jihad than they do with Western Civilization (and, for that matter, than with the Hindu, Chinese or Orthodox civilizations with whom the Islamists are also at war).

Further, many Muslim immigrants seem to be self-organizing in enclaves inside their adopted nations and not assimilating.  In some cases, sharia law obtains in these parallel societies.  As Western nations look weak and ineffective against the jihadis, there is a chance that more and more of the &quot;moderates&quot; will find the path to radicalization easier and easier to take.  Of course, a too-heavy-handed response could have the same impact, which is why I allocated 20% of my chips to option B, but at the moment I think A is the most salient by far.  I am somewhat concerned about C, but not much . . . government surveillance is too widespread to be effective and federal law enforcement oscillates between ineffective and inept.  And it is absolutely clear that there is no way they are taking guns; all such talk has the opposite intended effect.

So, I am 70-20-9 at the moment; as the situation changes, so might  my interpretation &amp; allocation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Most Muslims are not radicals, but did it help that most Germans were not Nazis?&#8221;</p>
<p>That is true; indeed, the VAST majority of Muslims are not radicals (at least as defined by the standard of violent Islamist jihadists).   However based on my (admittedly limited and possibly not representative) experience, the core values of those &#8220;moderate&#8221; Muslims have much more in common with radical jihad than they do with Western Civilization (and, for that matter, than with the Hindu, Chinese or Orthodox civilizations with whom the Islamists are also at war).</p>
<p>Further, many Muslim immigrants seem to be self-organizing in enclaves inside their adopted nations and not assimilating.  In some cases, sharia law obtains in these parallel societies.  As Western nations look weak and ineffective against the jihadis, there is a chance that more and more of the &#8220;moderates&#8221; will find the path to radicalization easier and easier to take.  Of course, a too-heavy-handed response could have the same impact, which is why I allocated 20% of my chips to option B, but at the moment I think A is the most salient by far.  I am somewhat concerned about C, but not much . . . government surveillance is too widespread to be effective and federal law enforcement oscillates between ineffective and inept.  And it is absolutely clear that there is no way they are taking guns; all such talk has the opposite intended effect.</p>
<p>So, I am 70-20-9 at the moment; as the situation changes, so might  my interpretation &amp; allocation.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/my-chips/#comment-462692</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2015 14:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have A and B switched.  I answered 10-30-59.

The reason I put more on B and less on A is that it would not take much imagination to think that the actions of the US would cause many who are prone to violence to be pushed up a notch.  For example, someone who was a 9 out of 10 on the &quot;I would commit violence against the West&quot; might be pushed to a 10 by actions of the US.

I don&#039;t think this makes me anything like those who would blame the US for WW2, 
etc.   Nazis were not suicide bombers.

That said, one would have to consider how many Muslims who really don&#039;t like &quot;our&quot; way of life to cause trouble for the rest of us.  My guess it that it would take many, many more of these that those who are in the A category.  But the cost of doing so is much, much less, so I don&#039;t know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have A and B switched.  I answered 10-30-59.</p>
<p>The reason I put more on B and less on A is that it would not take much imagination to think that the actions of the US would cause many who are prone to violence to be pushed up a notch.  For example, someone who was a 9 out of 10 on the &#8220;I would commit violence against the West&#8221; might be pushed to a 10 by actions of the US.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this makes me anything like those who would blame the US for WW2,<br />
etc.   Nazis were not suicide bombers.</p>
<p>That said, one would have to consider how many Muslims who really don&#8217;t like &#8220;our&#8221; way of life to cause trouble for the rest of us.  My guess it that it would take many, many more of these that those who are in the A category.  But the cost of doing so is much, much less, so I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: BC</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/my-chips/#comment-462691</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2015 08:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To give an example, Donald Trump can state that he wants to ban all Muslims from entering the country and still remain a leading candidate for a major party presidential nomination.  Could a Muslim state that he wants to ban all non-Muslims or that he wants to force all women to wear burkas and remain a leading candidate for a presidential nomination?  Ben Carson has said that a Muslim should not be elected president.  While he has dropped in the polls, would a Muslim candidate that stated that a non-Muslim should not be elected president have as much support as Ben Carson?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To give an example, Donald Trump can state that he wants to ban all Muslims from entering the country and still remain a leading candidate for a major party presidential nomination.  Could a Muslim state that he wants to ban all non-Muslims or that he wants to force all women to wear burkas and remain a leading candidate for a presidential nomination?  Ben Carson has said that a Muslim should not be elected president.  While he has dropped in the polls, would a Muslim candidate that stated that a non-Muslim should not be elected president have as much support as Ben Carson?</p>
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		<title>By: BC</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/my-chips/#comment-462690</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2015 08:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Most Muslims are not radicals, but did it help that most Germans were not Nazis?&quot;

The fact that most Nazis were German non-Jews was what allowed Nazis to take power in Germany.  Intolerant Muslims are a minority of a minority.  Nazis were the intolerant minority of the majority.  The counterpart to intolerant Muslims would be intolerant Jews (minority of a minority).  That&#039;s why (b) is the bigger threat than (a), even if both are small threats in our generally tolerant society.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Most Muslims are not radicals, but did it help that most Germans were not Nazis?&#8221;</p>
<p>The fact that most Nazis were German non-Jews was what allowed Nazis to take power in Germany.  Intolerant Muslims are a minority of a minority.  Nazis were the intolerant minority of the majority.  The counterpart to intolerant Muslims would be intolerant Jews (minority of a minority).  That&#8217;s why (b) is the bigger threat than (a), even if both are small threats in our generally tolerant society.</p>
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		<title>By: Foseti</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/my-chips/#comment-462689</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foseti]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2015 01:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This seems like a totally reasonable allocation, especially given how much the media loves guns and hates immigrants.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems like a totally reasonable allocation, especially given how much the media loves guns and hates immigrants.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert H.</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/my-chips/#comment-462688</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert H.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2015 20:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You think a non-Muslim has never murdered a Muslim?  What?  That&#039;s not true even if you are constraining it to recent murders in America motivated by anti-Muslim biase (in 2012 a crazy person pushed someone in front of a train because they wanted to kill a Muslim, for example).

Anyways, I ranked b higher than a because terrorism isn&#039;t a very significant problem for America and most acts of terrorism on us soil aren&#039;t by Muslims.  A few dozen murders by Muslim extremists every year won&#039;t even begin to affect our lives, except through b or c.  Take away the hysterical reaction to Islamic terrorism and it&#039;s a subset of a non-problem.

 Discrimination against minorities, on the other hand, can negatively affect millions of Americans and, if it translates into bellicose foreign policy, kill hundreds of thousands of people.  I also see B as reinforcing C much more than A reinforces C.  Politicians aren&#039;t going too far because of an actual threat to our way of life, they are going too far because of the backlash to a non-threat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You think a non-Muslim has never murdered a Muslim?  What?  That&#8217;s not true even if you are constraining it to recent murders in America motivated by anti-Muslim biase (in 2012 a crazy person pushed someone in front of a train because they wanted to kill a Muslim, for example).</p>
<p>Anyways, I ranked b higher than a because terrorism isn&#8217;t a very significant problem for America and most acts of terrorism on us soil aren&#8217;t by Muslims.  A few dozen murders by Muslim extremists every year won&#8217;t even begin to affect our lives, except through b or c.  Take away the hysterical reaction to Islamic terrorism and it&#8217;s a subset of a non-problem.</p>
<p> Discrimination against minorities, on the other hand, can negatively affect millions of Americans and, if it translates into bellicose foreign policy, kill hundreds of thousands of people.  I also see B as reinforcing C much more than A reinforces C.  Politicians aren&#8217;t going too far because of an actual threat to our way of life, they are going too far because of the backlash to a non-threat.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/my-chips/#comment-462687</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2015 18:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The summary statistics on the original chips are thus:
                 A         B          C
Count      121	   121	121
Sum 	2577    2671	6731
Avg.	        21	    22        56
Median	10	    15	59
Mode	 0         10	49
St. Dev	 26	    22	27

For readers of this blog, the biggest surprise for me was the fact that the average for bucket A and B were nearly the same. I also would have guessed that the average for C would have been higher than the median.

Plotting the responses by bucket (e.g. 0-10, 10-20) is also instructive. What you&#039;ll see (email for chart) is that the cumulative % of responses for choices A and B sketch a similar trajectory--over 50% of respondents allocated less than 20 of their chips to A and less than 20 chips to B, while only 15% of respondents allocated more than 50 chips to A and B. This shouldn&#039;t come as too much of a surprise, knowing the philosophical persuasion of this blog.

Perhaps more interesting is the fact that the cumulative % of chips allocated by buckets for choice C moves up in nearly perfect linear fashion. That is, each bucket contains close to 10% of the total responses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The summary statistics on the original chips are thus:<br />
                 A         B          C<br />
Count      121	   121	121<br />
Sum 	2577    2671	6731<br />
Avg.	        21	    22        56<br />
Median	10	    15	59<br />
Mode	 0         10	49<br />
St. Dev	 26	    22	27</p>
<p>For readers of this blog, the biggest surprise for me was the fact that the average for bucket A and B were nearly the same. I also would have guessed that the average for C would have been higher than the median.</p>
<p>Plotting the responses by bucket (e.g. 0-10, 10-20) is also instructive. What you&#8217;ll see (email for chart) is that the cumulative % of responses for choices A and B sketch a similar trajectory&#8211;over 50% of respondents allocated less than 20 of their chips to A and less than 20 chips to B, while only 15% of respondents allocated more than 50 chips to A and B. This shouldn&#8217;t come as too much of a surprise, knowing the philosophical persuasion of this blog.</p>
<p>Perhaps more interesting is the fact that the cumulative % of chips allocated by buckets for choice C moves up in nearly perfect linear fashion. That is, each bucket contains close to 10% of the total responses.</p>
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		<title>By: pj</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/my-chips/#comment-462686</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2015 17:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Given that there have been many murders of non-Muslims by Muslims, and no murders of Muslims by non-Muslims, to think (b) is a graver risk than (a) is to anticipate a complete reversal of past performance. Which was Einstein&#039;s definition of insanity, http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alberteins133991.html.

(c) may be a concern, but it is orthogonal to (a). They are different problems with different solutions. So I don&#039;t see why you have to allocate a fixed number of chips between them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that there have been many murders of non-Muslims by Muslims, and no murders of Muslims by non-Muslims, to think (b) is a graver risk than (a) is to anticipate a complete reversal of past performance. Which was Einstein&#8217;s definition of insanity, <a href="http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alberteins133991.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alberteins133991.html</a>.</p>
<p>(c) may be a concern, but it is orthogonal to (a). They are different problems with different solutions. So I don&#8217;t see why you have to allocate a fixed number of chips between them.</p>
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