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	<description>taking the most charitable view of those who disagree</description>
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		<title>By: Handle</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/losing-health-insurance-that-you-do-not-want/#comment-473137</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Handle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2017 23:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are these things called &quot;Cadillac plans&quot; of very expensive, comprehensive health insurance that are a tax-deduction-subsidized form of compensation to high income or union-privileged individuals, which cost enough that they might approach that Barro figure of 1/6th of compensation.  These plans are popular enough with their beneficiaries that they are proving politically impossible to tax.   That means that typical benificiaries of these Cadillac plans prefer the marginal increase in coverage benefits to any alternative use of the after-tax equivalent in cash.  And that implies a very high marginal utility of coverage for these people, which persists and doesn&#039;t seem to diminish much even at already high levels of coverage.

Yes, it is certainly possible to say the rich and poor have different preferences and that the rich want a lot of expensive coverage while the poor have other priorities.  But there are other plausible and reasonable interpretations of this fact, to include the notion that people in general really do &#039;want&#039; the benefits of lots of health insurance, but that many lower income folks simply aren&#039;t that good at deferring gratification to invest in the optimal and time-consistent amount of insurance for themselves, which is really not that much different from saying that they also under-invest in savings for themselves in general, which is not a very controversial proposition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are these things called &#8220;Cadillac plans&#8221; of very expensive, comprehensive health insurance that are a tax-deduction-subsidized form of compensation to high income or union-privileged individuals, which cost enough that they might approach that Barro figure of 1/6th of compensation.  These plans are popular enough with their beneficiaries that they are proving politically impossible to tax.   That means that typical benificiaries of these Cadillac plans prefer the marginal increase in coverage benefits to any alternative use of the after-tax equivalent in cash.  And that implies a very high marginal utility of coverage for these people, which persists and doesn&#8217;t seem to diminish much even at already high levels of coverage.</p>
<p>Yes, it is certainly possible to say the rich and poor have different preferences and that the rich want a lot of expensive coverage while the poor have other priorities.  But there are other plausible and reasonable interpretations of this fact, to include the notion that people in general really do &#8216;want&#8217; the benefits of lots of health insurance, but that many lower income folks simply aren&#8217;t that good at deferring gratification to invest in the optimal and time-consistent amount of insurance for themselves, which is really not that much different from saying that they also under-invest in savings for themselves in general, which is not a very controversial proposition.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew'</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/losing-health-insurance-that-you-do-not-want/#comment-473115</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2017 16:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, you aren&#039;t allowed to purchase marginal increments of health insurance, so the point is that not buying it in the available discrete increments may not imply the typical assumptions about revealed preference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, you aren&#8217;t allowed to purchase marginal increments of health insurance, so the point is that not buying it in the available discrete increments may not imply the typical assumptions about revealed preference.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew'</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/losing-health-insurance-that-you-do-not-want/#comment-473114</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2017 16:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you are slightly shifting the meaning of words to make it sound obtuse. I want a Porsch 911 Turb bad. But I can&#039;t imagine ever having the income that I would pull the trigger. But I&#039;d like to find out!

Health insurance is a big crapshoot payoff. The poor might have different demand curves for risky purchases versus sure-thing payoffs and their curves may change shape depending on their income.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are slightly shifting the meaning of words to make it sound obtuse. I want a Porsch 911 Turb bad. But I can&#8217;t imagine ever having the income that I would pull the trigger. But I&#8217;d like to find out!</p>
<p>Health insurance is a big crapshoot payoff. The poor might have different demand curves for risky purchases versus sure-thing payoffs and their curves may change shape depending on their income.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew'</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/losing-health-insurance-that-you-do-not-want/#comment-473113</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2017 16:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[True.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True.</p>
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		<title>By: Yancey Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/losing-health-insurance-that-you-do-not-want/#comment-473112</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yancey Ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2017 15:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it is very illuminating that your question went unanswered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is very illuminating that your question went unanswered.</p>
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		<title>By: Philo</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/losing-health-insurance-that-you-do-not-want/#comment-473111</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2017 15:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I would be careful about concluding that people do not value health insurance based on their preferences when their incomes are low. Perhaps if you raised their incomes a lot, they would value health insurance more highly.&quot;  This is an unusually obtuse remark.  Virtually everyone puts some positive value on &quot;health insurance&quot;; no one is suggesting otherwise.  Also, since &quot;health insurance&quot; is not an inferior good, people&#039;s willingness to pay for it increases as their incomes rise; again, no one denies this.  The point is that forcing poor people to pay for something they consider not worth the cost is not doing them any good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I would be careful about concluding that people do not value health insurance based on their preferences when their incomes are low. Perhaps if you raised their incomes a lot, they would value health insurance more highly.&#8221;  This is an unusually obtuse remark.  Virtually everyone puts some positive value on &#8220;health insurance&#8221;; no one is suggesting otherwise.  Also, since &#8220;health insurance&#8221; is not an inferior good, people&#8217;s willingness to pay for it increases as their incomes rise; again, no one denies this.  The point is that forcing poor people to pay for something they consider not worth the cost is not doing them any good.</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/losing-health-insurance-that-you-do-not-want/#comment-473106</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[adam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2017 14:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m no expert on it, but my understanding is that all hospitals in Maryland have to submit rates to a state commission annually and that commission then approves/adjusts them.  The hospital then has to charge everyone the approved rates.  I don&#039;t know if that commission audits them, or what.  I&#039;m sure there&#039;s information out on the web about it if you really want to know.  It&#039;s called &quot;all-payer.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no expert on it, but my understanding is that all hospitals in Maryland have to submit rates to a state commission annually and that commission then approves/adjusts them.  The hospital then has to charge everyone the approved rates.  I don&#8217;t know if that commission audits them, or what.  I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s information out on the web about it if you really want to know.  It&#8217;s called &#8220;all-payer.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Octavian</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/losing-health-insurance-that-you-do-not-want/#comment-473093</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Octavian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2017 22:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most who don&#039;t probably could but choose not to, because they can politically make others pay for it (or make themselves pay for it without realizing it). Perhaps if we made them pay for it via forced saving they would consume healthcare more judiciously and shop for it more and thereby drive down prices.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most who don&#8217;t probably could but choose not to, because they can politically make others pay for it (or make themselves pay for it without realizing it). Perhaps if we made them pay for it via forced saving they would consume healthcare more judiciously and shop for it more and thereby drive down prices.</p>
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		<title>By: Octavian</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/losing-health-insurance-that-you-do-not-want/#comment-473092</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Octavian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2017 22:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you&#039;re right and I think people are, in the abstract, aware of their own (and others&#039;) ability to make bad decisions contrary to what they really want; and therefore inevitably will vote to make the state protect them from themselves in some measure.

My solution is that people be required to put money every year in a savings account they can&#039;t touch except to for medical expenses, but give them some freedom over how it&#039;s invested.

The basic idea is, people should have to finance insurance agai st their own stupidity. In as much as government intervention in the healthcare market is justified by poor choices by consumers, the intervention should not be redistributive, like other entitlements.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re right and I think people are, in the abstract, aware of their own (and others&#8217;) ability to make bad decisions contrary to what they really want; and therefore inevitably will vote to make the state protect them from themselves in some measure.</p>
<p>My solution is that people be required to put money every year in a savings account they can&#8217;t touch except to for medical expenses, but give them some freedom over how it&#8217;s invested.</p>
<p>The basic idea is, people should have to finance insurance agai st their own stupidity. In as much as government intervention in the healthcare market is justified by poor choices by consumers, the intervention should not be redistributive, like other entitlements.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Ancona</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/losing-health-insurance-that-you-do-not-want/#comment-473091</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Ancona]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2017 21:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Assuming it&#039;s so, how is that law enforced and by whom? If Arnold has surgery and the hospital presents a bill, how can he find out if he is being charged the same price as others? Can he get a price quote up front for a procedure?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assuming it&#8217;s so, how is that law enforced and by whom? If Arnold has surgery and the hospital presents a bill, how can he find out if he is being charged the same price as others? Can he get a price quote up front for a procedure?</p>
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