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	<title>Comments on: Kirzner vs. Samuelson</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew'</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But don&#039;t you also have people in physics who only do math and work with taking the math to its limits? It seems to me the problem with economists, at least to the outside observer of their academic black box, is, unlike physicists (or biologists), they don&#039;t seem to know they are being unrealistic when they are modeling- or they don&#039;t make it extremely clear to those observing from outside their black box.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But don&#8217;t you also have people in physics who only do math and work with taking the math to its limits? It seems to me the problem with economists, at least to the outside observer of their academic black box, is, unlike physicists (or biologists), they don&#8217;t seem to know they are being unrealistic when they are modeling- or they don&#8217;t make it extremely clear to those observing from outside their black box.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2015 14:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am getting a PhD in Plasma Physics, and every time I read about this &quot;mathification&quot; of economics I&#039;m reminded of my own experience learning the math and physics of my field. It seems to me that in order to treat millions of people as you would treat millions of particles (in a gas or a plasma or quantum mechanically) you have to make some assumptions, just as we do in physics. 

What gets me is that physicists only get so far with these assumptions and generalizations... typically no further than homework problems and undergraduate laboratories. The real physics -- the real scientific discoveries -- are made when the assumptions break down. In plasma this occurs when particles aren&#039;t &quot;collisionless&quot; or &quot;thermalized&quot; causing important &quot;negligibles&quot; or &quot;non-linearities&quot; in the math to become relevant. IE: You can&#039;t use a Gaussian and all the related math because the plasma does not have a temperature, per se. Or maybe it has three temperatures. Not only does the math suddenly become stupendously difficult, but often you can&#039;t use conventional math at all (thus my specialty: computerized simulation of individual plasma particles). 

I just don&#039;t understand why any economist that wants to act like a physicist and mathify their field hasn&#039;t figured out that physicists are far beyond using math, often times. The physics is where the math doesn&#039;t work anymore, so we often have to simulate each particle as an individual to see what is going on. Sound familiar? 

When I read Mises and Hayek I keep thinking of quantum mechanics and my own field in simulation, and wondering how anyone could imagine things being any other way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am getting a PhD in Plasma Physics, and every time I read about this &#8220;mathification&#8221; of economics I&#8217;m reminded of my own experience learning the math and physics of my field. It seems to me that in order to treat millions of people as you would treat millions of particles (in a gas or a plasma or quantum mechanically) you have to make some assumptions, just as we do in physics. </p>
<p>What gets me is that physicists only get so far with these assumptions and generalizations&#8230; typically no further than homework problems and undergraduate laboratories. The real physics &#8212; the real scientific discoveries &#8212; are made when the assumptions break down. In plasma this occurs when particles aren&#8217;t &#8220;collisionless&#8221; or &#8220;thermalized&#8221; causing important &#8220;negligibles&#8221; or &#8220;non-linearities&#8221; in the math to become relevant. IE: You can&#8217;t use a Gaussian and all the related math because the plasma does not have a temperature, per se. Or maybe it has three temperatures. Not only does the math suddenly become stupendously difficult, but often you can&#8217;t use conventional math at all (thus my specialty: computerized simulation of individual plasma particles). </p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t understand why any economist that wants to act like a physicist and mathify their field hasn&#8217;t figured out that physicists are far beyond using math, often times. The physics is where the math doesn&#8217;t work anymore, so we often have to simulate each particle as an individual to see what is going on. Sound familiar? </p>
<p>When I read Mises and Hayek I keep thinking of quantum mechanics and my own field in simulation, and wondering how anyone could imagine things being any other way.</p>
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