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		<title>By: R Richard Schweitzer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R Richard Schweitzer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2015 16:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A quick read of that draft&#039;s 40 pages may be inadequate for my analysis that these scholars appear to conflate (or not distinguish) rights and power; then attempt to work out relative quantifications of elements of power.

For those who share the view that all &quot;Rights&quot; require contra-posed obligations, this draft is inadequate, since it avoids confronting that concept *directly;* but, perhaps inadvertently, implies its existence in narrating the exercise of power (electoral, e.g.) to impose obligations which support or defend the draft&#039;s concept of &quot;Rights.&quot;

There is no denying that imposing obligations by various forms of power (physical, economic or ideological) can create and sustain a &quot;Right&quot; (which becomes an expression of that power - Feudal Rights, e.g.).

The paper might have more &quot;meaning&quot; if in the earlier parts the authors identified the obligations necessary to support each of the classifications they purport to deal with, explore how those obligations arise, with what qualifications - and whether they are &quot;imposed&quot; or are spontaneously recognized, accepted and performed in the segments of, or over all in, a social order.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quick read of that draft&#8217;s 40 pages may be inadequate for my analysis that these scholars appear to conflate (or not distinguish) rights and power; then attempt to work out relative quantifications of elements of power.</p>
<p>For those who share the view that all &#8220;Rights&#8221; require contra-posed obligations, this draft is inadequate, since it avoids confronting that concept *directly;* but, perhaps inadvertently, implies its existence in narrating the exercise of power (electoral, e.g.) to impose obligations which support or defend the draft&#8217;s concept of &#8220;Rights.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is no denying that imposing obligations by various forms of power (physical, economic or ideological) can create and sustain a &#8220;Right&#8221; (which becomes an expression of that power &#8211; Feudal Rights, e.g.).</p>
<p>The paper might have more &#8220;meaning&#8221; if in the earlier parts the authors identified the obligations necessary to support each of the classifications they purport to deal with, explore how those obligations arise, with what qualifications &#8211; and whether they are &#8220;imposed&#8221; or are spontaneously recognized, accepted and performed in the segments of, or over all in, a social order.</p>
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		<title>By: JKB</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2015 16:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve recently been reading some of the work of F.J. Stimson from the turn of the 20th century on the Constitution, law, etc.  The excerpt below from a 1907 paper seems to describe our own federalist system in terms as a means to balance the limited/open access orders:

&lt;i&gt;That Democracy, besides grasping the reins of government, 
now also, for the first time in history, conscious of its power to 
create Laws, for its very first act should have sought to curb it- 
self in Constitutions, State or National, would argue a wisdom 
and self-restraint almost superhuman were it not for the his- 
torical explanation [ancient liberties of the Anglo-Saxons]. 
This explanation is not alone the training 
of a thousand years that, we fondly think, makes the English- 
speaking people unique in its power to rule itself; it is a much 
more definite and recent cause, less clearly understood and, for 
obvious reasons, at the time less rarely adverted to.

This was, 
in brief, the desire of the American people on the one hand to 
protect their liberties from the possibly aristocratic, or auto- 
cratic, Federal Government they were about to create; and on the 
other the desire of the propertied classes, of the Federalists them- 
selves, to protect their rights from the recently created omnipotent 
State Legislatures.

Broadly speaking, the latter is the function 
of the State constitution, the former of the Federal; and thus 
the sides became curiously inverted and, even in some cases, the 
contents curiously mixed, the statesmen who worked for the one 
caring little for the other.

Antitheses are dangerous; yet it is 
true that it was the People, under Jefferson, who said to the 
Federal Constitution, &quot; Thus far shalt thou go and no farther &quot; ; 
it was the educated, propertied classes, the Federalists at home in 
their State capitals, who said the same thing to the State Legis- 
latures, to whose local government their lives and personal liberties 
and private fortunes were to be entrusted.

Both in the main are 
aimed at securing liberty; but the one rather political liberty, 
in and from their Government at Washington; the other rather 
personal liberty, for themselves and their possessions at home.&lt;/i&gt;

Source: The Constitution and the People&#039;s Liberties
by Stimson, F. J.
https://archive.org/details/jstor-25105808]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve recently been reading some of the work of F.J. Stimson from the turn of the 20th century on the Constitution, law, etc.  The excerpt below from a 1907 paper seems to describe our own federalist system in terms as a means to balance the limited/open access orders:</p>
<p><i>That Democracy, besides grasping the reins of government,<br />
now also, for the first time in history, conscious of its power to<br />
create Laws, for its very first act should have sought to curb it-<br />
self in Constitutions, State or National, would argue a wisdom<br />
and self-restraint almost superhuman were it not for the his-<br />
torical explanation [ancient liberties of the Anglo-Saxons].<br />
This explanation is not alone the training<br />
of a thousand years that, we fondly think, makes the English-<br />
speaking people unique in its power to rule itself; it is a much<br />
more definite and recent cause, less clearly understood and, for<br />
obvious reasons, at the time less rarely adverted to.</p>
<p>This was,<br />
in brief, the desire of the American people on the one hand to<br />
protect their liberties from the possibly aristocratic, or auto-<br />
cratic, Federal Government they were about to create; and on the<br />
other the desire of the propertied classes, of the Federalists them-<br />
selves, to protect their rights from the recently created omnipotent<br />
State Legislatures.</p>
<p>Broadly speaking, the latter is the function<br />
of the State constitution, the former of the Federal; and thus<br />
the sides became curiously inverted and, even in some cases, the<br />
contents curiously mixed, the statesmen who worked for the one<br />
caring little for the other.</p>
<p>Antitheses are dangerous; yet it is<br />
true that it was the People, under Jefferson, who said to the<br />
Federal Constitution, &#8221; Thus far shalt thou go and no farther &#8221; ;<br />
it was the educated, propertied classes, the Federalists at home in<br />
their State capitals, who said the same thing to the State Legis-<br />
latures, to whose local government their lives and personal liberties<br />
and private fortunes were to be entrusted.</p>
<p>Both in the main are<br />
aimed at securing liberty; but the one rather political liberty,<br />
in and from their Government at Washington; the other rather<br />
personal liberty, for themselves and their possessions at home.</i></p>
<p>Source: The Constitution and the People&#8217;s Liberties<br />
by Stimson, F. J.<br />
<a href="https://archive.org/details/jstor-25105808" rel="nofollow">https://archive.org/details/jstor-25105808</a></p>
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