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	<title>Comments on: Evidence for Teach for America</title>
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		<title>By: Roger Sweeny</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Sweeny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Sep 2013 14:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suppose it depends on exactly how one defines the null hypothesis here.  

I prefer to think of it in Dierdre McCloskey terms.  It is an example of something that has statistical significance (it is &gt;95% likely that the TFA group gets better results) but does not have policy significance (in this case, the difference is too small and comes at too high a cost).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose it depends on exactly how one defines the null hypothesis here.  </p>
<p>I prefer to think of it in Dierdre McCloskey terms.  It is an example of something that has statistical significance (it is &gt;95% likely that the TFA group gets better results) but does not have policy significance (in this case, the difference is too small and comes at too high a cost).</p>
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		<title>By: Handle</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/evidence-for-teach-for-america/#comment-122310</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Sep 2013 12:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://educationrealist.wordpress.com/2013/09/13/the-takeaway-from-the-tfa-study/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Education Realist&lt;/a&gt; posted a good takedown on the takewaway on the results.  

Not only are we justified in being skeptical about replication, but I think the real moral of the story is &#039;diminishing returns&#039;.  Consider:&lt;blockquote&gt;TFA teachers who take the Mathematics Content Knowledge Test outperformed comparison teachers by 22 points (or 0.93 standard deviations); those who took the Middle School Mathematics Test also outperformed comparison teachers by 22 points (or 1.19 standard deviations).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Well, obviously, you don&#039;t get a difference of one standard deviation or more in math scores through random selection of individuals, do you?  And yet that kind of difference only yields a 0.06 standard deviation increase (at the 0.05 statistical significance level), from &#039;teachers from traditional routes&#039;.

So, significantly smarter teachers, with substantially less ethnic diversity, and who would likely demand higher salaries for retention over a career in problem schools vs. their competitive employment opportunities, could only squeeze out a tiny amount of extra measured &#039;effectiveness&#039;.

That seems like a very strong result &lt;i&gt;for&lt;/i&gt;, not against, the null hypothesis to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://educationrealist.wordpress.com/2013/09/13/the-takeaway-from-the-tfa-study/" rel="nofollow">Education Realist</a> posted a good takedown on the takewaway on the results.  </p>
<p>Not only are we justified in being skeptical about replication, but I think the real moral of the story is &#8216;diminishing returns&#8217;.  Consider:<br />
<blockquote>TFA teachers who take the Mathematics Content Knowledge Test outperformed comparison teachers by 22 points (or 0.93 standard deviations); those who took the Middle School Mathematics Test also outperformed comparison teachers by 22 points (or 1.19 standard deviations).</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, obviously, you don&#8217;t get a difference of one standard deviation or more in math scores through random selection of individuals, do you?  And yet that kind of difference only yields a 0.06 standard deviation increase (at the 0.05 statistical significance level), from &#8216;teachers from traditional routes&#8217;.</p>
<p>So, significantly smarter teachers, with substantially less ethnic diversity, and who would likely demand higher salaries for retention over a career in problem schools vs. their competitive employment opportunities, could only squeeze out a tiny amount of extra measured &#8216;effectiveness&#8217;.</p>
<p>That seems like a very strong result <i>for</i>, not against, the null hypothesis to me.</p>
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		<title>By: S</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/evidence-for-teach-for-america/#comment-121973</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Sep 2013 03:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is my perspective off, or does seven one hundredths of an SD seem kind of weak.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is my perspective off, or does seven one hundredths of an SD seem kind of weak.</p>
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