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		<title>By: Floccina</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/ed-pinto-takes-on-mom-and-apple-pie/#comment-465679</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Floccina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2016 20:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[IMHO Still making car payments after 35 = bad. Still making home payments after 45 = bad]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO Still making car payments after 35 = bad. Still making home payments after 45 = bad</p>
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		<title>By: Tom G</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/ed-pinto-takes-on-mom-and-apple-pie/#comment-465673</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom G]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2016 16:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Owner-occupant only getting the tax break/ subsidy is a good start.
I&#039;d prefer to change from interest deduction to flat 30% credit on house payment, with a lifetime maximum (of 10 x median taxpayer income ~50k now, so $500k, as well as an annual limit of that same median $50k income).

It was the desire to maximize the tax deduction that helped drive normal folk into the equity loan market -- use it or lose it - lower cost money.

It&#039;s actually pretty great for society when most 50+ year old folk own their own homes; but this means at least 51% of equity is theirs, not the unpaid balance.

Whether it&#039;s 10, 15, 20, or 30 year loans is far less important than the other policies around debt, interest, and owner-occupancy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Owner-occupant only getting the tax break/ subsidy is a good start.<br />
I&#8217;d prefer to change from interest deduction to flat 30% credit on house payment, with a lifetime maximum (of 10 x median taxpayer income ~50k now, so $500k, as well as an annual limit of that same median $50k income).</p>
<p>It was the desire to maximize the tax deduction that helped drive normal folk into the equity loan market &#8212; use it or lose it &#8211; lower cost money.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually pretty great for society when most 50+ year old folk own their own homes; but this means at least 51% of equity is theirs, not the unpaid balance.</p>
<p>Whether it&#8217;s 10, 15, 20, or 30 year loans is far less important than the other policies around debt, interest, and owner-occupancy.</p>
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		<title>By: asdf</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2016 13:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed.  If one were to agree with Arnold&#039;s analysis of the 30 year mortgage, how would one vote?  Doesn&#039;t seem like a priority for either party.

You&#039;d have to be the kind of person who gave a fuck about random strangers operating in a less efficient housing market enough to overcome institutional inertia and special interests to make this change.  Does the current Republican party strike anyone as being described that way?  

At best you could describe them as pharisees on issues like this. Whatever hand wringing over doctrine pharisees go through, they don&#039;t really care enough to change their actions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  If one were to agree with Arnold&#8217;s analysis of the 30 year mortgage, how would one vote?  Doesn&#8217;t seem like a priority for either party.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d have to be the kind of person who gave a fuck about random strangers operating in a less efficient housing market enough to overcome institutional inertia and special interests to make this change.  Does the current Republican party strike anyone as being described that way?  </p>
<p>At best you could describe them as pharisees on issues like this. Whatever hand wringing over doctrine pharisees go through, they don&#8217;t really care enough to change their actions.</p>
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		<title>By: EMichael</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2016 19:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oops, less than 40%  Sorry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops, less than 40%  Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: EMichael</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EMichael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2016 19:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And they came late to the party(and less than 30%) not because of any government housing policy, but for the usual reason, money.

They had lost 40% of market share during the  bubble, and this was how they dealt with it.  I would never say the GSEs were innocent, but they were not directed by government policy.  IMHO, Mudd at Fannie should have been indicted for his lack of due diligence.  

Meanwhile, the bailout of the GSEs certainly helped them(while saving our mortgage market) bit it also saved the investment banks, all of whom had committed fraud in the reps and warranties on the loans they sold to the GSEs.  That is plainly shown in the FCIC report.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And they came late to the party(and less than 30%) not because of any government housing policy, but for the usual reason, money.</p>
<p>They had lost 40% of market share during the  bubble, and this was how they dealt with it.  I would never say the GSEs were innocent, but they were not directed by government policy.  IMHO, Mudd at Fannie should have been indicted for his lack of due diligence.  </p>
<p>Meanwhile, the bailout of the GSEs certainly helped them(while saving our mortgage market) bit it also saved the investment banks, all of whom had committed fraud in the reps and warranties on the loans they sold to the GSEs.  That is plainly shown in the FCIC report.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew'</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2016 19:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You sure keep bringing them up. 

Fannie and Freddie came late to the party, but they came, they came big because they are big. Luckily for them, shortly after they came was the crash. So, they get to almost plausibly claim they didnt start the fire. But I would not be as interested in percentages as I would be in sums.

With an implicit bailout and lower capital costs you can cherry pick the best credit risks and eat the alpha gap, but that doesn&#039;t really mean anything necessarily. Not anything good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sure keep bringing them up. </p>
<p>Fannie and Freddie came late to the party, but they came, they came big because they are big. Luckily for them, shortly after they came was the crash. So, they get to almost plausibly claim they didnt start the fire. But I would not be as interested in percentages as I would be in sums.</p>
<p>With an implicit bailout and lower capital costs you can cherry pick the best credit risks and eat the alpha gap, but that doesn&#8217;t really mean anything necessarily. Not anything good.</p>
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		<title>By: Lord</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lord]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2016 18:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This does illustrate the problem of a Trump win.  He would be dealing with the same hacks as usual so how will he change anything?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This does illustrate the problem of a Trump win.  He would be dealing with the same hacks as usual so how will he change anything?</p>
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		<title>By: Lord</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lord]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2016 18:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The GOP simply see housing booms and busts as money making opportunities so no, they aren&#039;t going to do anything that might stop them.  If anything they would like to see them larger.  A sucker born every minute is too good to pass up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The GOP simply see housing booms and busts as money making opportunities so no, they aren&#8217;t going to do anything that might stop them.  If anything they would like to see them larger.  A sucker born every minute is too good to pass up.</p>
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		<title>By: EMichael</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2016 16:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, I did not say Pinto was &quot;intellectually inconsistent&quot;( I said Wallison was).  What I said about Pinto was that his cherry picked and mislabeled data was wrong; he knew it was wrong; and he(evidently) still knows it is wrong.

Any serious discussion of the US mortgage market should not include anything that Pinto or Wallison say. Besides being driven totally by ideology, they are snakes:

&quot;3.  For additional fun, the fact that we now know that Wallison leaked the critique of Pinto’s work creates an important timeline.  From Leonard Architect:

“I get this memo criticizing Pinto’s data — what was I supposed to do?” [Wallison] told Huffington Post. “Pinto should be the one to respond to criticism of his data.”

Pinto got the opportunity, but he offered no response. He delivered three additional memos, here, here, and here. But he never responded to core criticism in the FCIC staff memo, which identified the fatal flaw in Pinto’s misguided labeling scheme.

From the oversight report, we know that Wallison leaked the FCIC memo to Pinto so he could address the arguments between August 9th and August 14th, 2010.  The three additional memos Pinto submitted to the FCIC linked in the Architect piece above were draft date August 14th, October 10th, and November 4th, 2010.  And evidently they didn’t address the argument at all.&quot;

https://rortybomb.wordpress.com/2011/07/15/three-additional-points-on-the-gses-aei-and-fcic-report/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I did not say Pinto was &#8220;intellectually inconsistent&#8221;( I said Wallison was).  What I said about Pinto was that his cherry picked and mislabeled data was wrong; he knew it was wrong; and he(evidently) still knows it is wrong.</p>
<p>Any serious discussion of the US mortgage market should not include anything that Pinto or Wallison say. Besides being driven totally by ideology, they are snakes:</p>
<p>&#8220;3.  For additional fun, the fact that we now know that Wallison leaked the critique of Pinto’s work creates an important timeline.  From Leonard Architect:</p>
<p>“I get this memo criticizing Pinto’s data — what was I supposed to do?” [Wallison] told Huffington Post. “Pinto should be the one to respond to criticism of his data.”</p>
<p>Pinto got the opportunity, but he offered no response. He delivered three additional memos, here, here, and here. But he never responded to core criticism in the FCIC staff memo, which identified the fatal flaw in Pinto’s misguided labeling scheme.</p>
<p>From the oversight report, we know that Wallison leaked the FCIC memo to Pinto so he could address the arguments between August 9th and August 14th, 2010.  The three additional memos Pinto submitted to the FCIC linked in the Architect piece above were draft date August 14th, October 10th, and November 4th, 2010.  And evidently they didn’t address the argument at all.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://rortybomb.wordpress.com/2011/07/15/three-additional-points-on-the-gses-aei-and-fcic-report/" rel="nofollow">https://rortybomb.wordpress.com/2011/07/15/three-additional-points-on-the-gses-aei-and-fcic-report/</a></p>
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		<title>By: EMichael</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2016 15:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And strangely enough there was strong federal government intervention that was a major reason for the housing bubble.  But it somehow is never mentioned.  Probably because it was the federal government removing state government from banking regulation.

Course this was done when the Reps held the legislature and the presidency, and the OCC forbid state governments from regulating national banks.  The Supreme Court agreed with the OCC, and now the big boys got into the market in a big way and the rest was history.

Somehow we get speeches from a powerless congressman as a reason for a problem yet ignore facts like this.  Powerful bubble you got there.

http://www.forbes.com/2007/04/17/scotus-banks-wachovia-biz-wallst-cx_lm_0417scotus.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And strangely enough there was strong federal government intervention that was a major reason for the housing bubble.  But it somehow is never mentioned.  Probably because it was the federal government removing state government from banking regulation.</p>
<p>Course this was done when the Reps held the legislature and the presidency, and the OCC forbid state governments from regulating national banks.  The Supreme Court agreed with the OCC, and now the big boys got into the market in a big way and the rest was history.</p>
<p>Somehow we get speeches from a powerless congressman as a reason for a problem yet ignore facts like this.  Powerful bubble you got there.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/2007/04/17/scotus-banks-wachovia-biz-wallst-cx_lm_0417scotus.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.forbes.com/2007/04/17/scotus-banks-wachovia-biz-wallst-cx_lm_0417scotus.html</a></p>
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