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		<title>By: PJ</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/did-scott-sumner-stumble/#comment-461136</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2015 20:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would agree IF the FOMC&#039;s statements sounded more like this: &quot;we will continue to make monetary policy more accommodative until market based forecasts of future inflation fall in line with our target.&quot; Instead, all the Fed talks about is how badly it looks forward to raising interest rates in the future. The Fed says it has a 2% inflation target, but it&#039;s actions and statements are consistent with those coming from a group of people who disagree about how the economy works but are basically ok with the status quo as long as inflation is not more than 2%.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree IF the FOMC&#8217;s statements sounded more like this: &#8220;we will continue to make monetary policy more accommodative until market based forecasts of future inflation fall in line with our target.&#8221; Instead, all the Fed talks about is how badly it looks forward to raising interest rates in the future. The Fed says it has a 2% inflation target, but it&#8217;s actions and statements are consistent with those coming from a group of people who disagree about how the economy works but are basically ok with the status quo as long as inflation is not more than 2%.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/did-scott-sumner-stumble/#comment-461135</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2015 20:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I feel I&#039;m making progress toward reconciling the views of two people for whom I have a great deal of respect. Here are two thought experiments that will help in this endeavor:

1) Suppose the Fed increased interest on reserves from 0.25% to 8% tomorrow and simultaneously began a program to sell few trillion of the assets on it&#039;s balance sheet and announced a new inflation target of 0%.  What does the Book of Arnold predict will happen to inflation over the next two years?

2) Suppose the Fed cut the interest rate on reserves to -2%, announced a plan to buy an unlimited amount of financial assets until a market based forecast of NGDP 5 years from now reached $22.5T (5% year over year growth). What does the Book of Arnold predict will happen to NGDP over the next two years?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel I&#8217;m making progress toward reconciling the views of two people for whom I have a great deal of respect. Here are two thought experiments that will help in this endeavor:</p>
<p>1) Suppose the Fed increased interest on reserves from 0.25% to 8% tomorrow and simultaneously began a program to sell few trillion of the assets on it&#8217;s balance sheet and announced a new inflation target of 0%.  What does the Book of Arnold predict will happen to inflation over the next two years?</p>
<p>2) Suppose the Fed cut the interest rate on reserves to -2%, announced a plan to buy an unlimited amount of financial assets until a market based forecast of NGDP 5 years from now reached $22.5T (5% year over year growth). What does the Book of Arnold predict will happen to NGDP over the next two years?</p>
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		<title>By: Arnold Kling</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 21:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fact that the Fed has missed its inflation target for umpteen quarters in a row strikes me as an important anomaly for those who believe in the power of the central bank over nominal variables.  I know that the believers have an explanation, which is that the Fed could have hit its target but instead it just kept botching things.  While that explanation can placate a believer, it does not win over a skeptic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that the Fed has missed its inflation target for umpteen quarters in a row strikes me as an important anomaly for those who believe in the power of the central bank over nominal variables.  I know that the believers have an explanation, which is that the Fed could have hit its target but instead it just kept botching things.  While that explanation can placate a believer, it does not win over a skeptic.</p>
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		<title>By: Niklas Blanchard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niklas Blanchard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 20:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Fed&#039;s ability to influence nominal variables in the short run is, I think, pretty well established, both theoretically and empirically.  The mechanism underlying this has been quite well-described by Nick Rowe in his alpha/beta bank series (asymmetric convertability), if you care to read.

In fact, I would say that it is specifically the &quot;cognitive illusion&quot; that Scott mentions that allows the Fed to influence (though not control) the short-run path of interest rates...though I&#039;m sure Scott would reply that the path and level of interest rates are an epiphenomenon generated by the Fed&#039;s control of base money.  And that there is no particular reason to focus on the particular variable.

In the same vein, MMTers focus heavily on the cognitive illusion of chartalism to motivate a positive value for legal tender...at least in the Wray model.

In the end, I certainly believe that the Fed has the power to steer the nominal economy.  I believe this because others believe this, and that makes it true.  That&#039;s a far cry from saying that the Fed has iron clad control over the economy.  I would also say that the Fed has the power and means to hit any nominal variable it wanted...unless we are running out of 1s and 0s...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Fed&#8217;s ability to influence nominal variables in the short run is, I think, pretty well established, both theoretically and empirically.  The mechanism underlying this has been quite well-described by Nick Rowe in his alpha/beta bank series (asymmetric convertability), if you care to read.</p>
<p>In fact, I would say that it is specifically the &#8220;cognitive illusion&#8221; that Scott mentions that allows the Fed to influence (though not control) the short-run path of interest rates&#8230;though I&#8217;m sure Scott would reply that the path and level of interest rates are an epiphenomenon generated by the Fed&#8217;s control of base money.  And that there is no particular reason to focus on the particular variable.</p>
<p>In the same vein, MMTers focus heavily on the cognitive illusion of chartalism to motivate a positive value for legal tender&#8230;at least in the Wray model.</p>
<p>In the end, I certainly believe that the Fed has the power to steer the nominal economy.  I believe this because others believe this, and that makes it true.  That&#8217;s a far cry from saying that the Fed has iron clad control over the economy.  I would also say that the Fed has the power and means to hit any nominal variable it wanted&#8230;unless we are running out of 1s and 0s&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence D'Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lawrence D'Anna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 15:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[on 1: The public uses those things as media of exchange and stores of value.   It does not use them as units of account.   Paypal, bank deposits, and money market funds  promise to be redeemable in base money.   Base money does not promise to be redeemable in any other financial asset.    This is a critical distinction and it&#039;s central to the monetarist story.   I don&#039;t see how you can address any objection to monetarism without dealing with this distinction.

on 2: but the causality runs entirely through the central bank.   What would happen if the central bank chose not to inflate away the debt?    The treasury would default on the debt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on 1: The public uses those things as media of exchange and stores of value.   It does not use them as units of account.   Paypal, bank deposits, and money market funds  promise to be redeemable in base money.   Base money does not promise to be redeemable in any other financial asset.    This is a critical distinction and it&#8217;s central to the monetarist story.   I don&#8217;t see how you can address any objection to monetarism without dealing with this distinction.</p>
<p>on 2: but the causality runs entirely through the central bank.   What would happen if the central bank chose not to inflate away the debt?    The treasury would default on the debt.</p>
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		<title>By: Arnold Kling</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 14:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am pretty sure that I understand the monetarist model.  I am also quite sure that you do not understand my objection to it.  In brief, I would say that:

1.  The public decides what is money.  We use plastic as money, we use paypal as money, we use money market funds as money, etc.  The central bank does not control the supply of money that we actually use.

2.  Central banks by themselves do not cause high inflation. High inflation is a fiscal phenomenon.  When the government runs out of cheap credit but still runs a deficit, it starts printing money in great quantities, and that leads to high inflation.

3.  The central bank controls its own balance sheet.  But a private bank also controls its own balance sheet, and that does not determine macroeconomic performance.  Unless the government is running an unsustainable deficit, everything the central bank does with its balance sheet can be accommodated by the private sector without any effects on long-term interest rates, inflation, or other macro variables.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am pretty sure that I understand the monetarist model.  I am also quite sure that you do not understand my objection to it.  In brief, I would say that:</p>
<p>1.  The public decides what is money.  We use plastic as money, we use paypal as money, we use money market funds as money, etc.  The central bank does not control the supply of money that we actually use.</p>
<p>2.  Central banks by themselves do not cause high inflation. High inflation is a fiscal phenomenon.  When the government runs out of cheap credit but still runs a deficit, it starts printing money in great quantities, and that leads to high inflation.</p>
<p>3.  The central bank controls its own balance sheet.  But a private bank also controls its own balance sheet, and that does not determine macroeconomic performance.  Unless the government is running an unsustainable deficit, everything the central bank does with its balance sheet can be accommodated by the private sector without any effects on long-term interest rates, inflation, or other macro variables.</p>
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		<title>By: Shayne Cook</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2015 13:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jonathan Cast:

I&#039;m not speaking for Dr. Kling here, but I suspect I may &quot;suffer&quot; from the same lack of understanding of the monetarist model you reference as applicable to him. So perhaps I should do some more studying as well. 

But I&#039;m not exactly pathetically ignorant either. So before I ask you for a recommendation of where I should start studying the monetarist model, I should give you some idea of my pre-conceived notions, based on what &lt;i&gt;seems to be portrayed&lt;/i&gt; as the monetarist model:

You reference, &quot;... the quantity of money affects the real path of the economy&quot;. You also state, &quot;... the Fed lacks the ability to determine interest rates (other than its own discount rates).&quot;

I agree wholeheartedly with both of those statements, as stated! (So perhaps I&#039;m a &quot;monetarist&quot; after all.) 

Of course the quantity of money &lt;i&gt;affects&lt;/i&gt; the path of the economy. The thing is though, the quantity of money is &lt;i&gt;not the only thing&lt;/i&gt; that affects the path of the economy. Nor is the quantity of money &lt;i&gt;the economy in and of itself&lt;/i&gt;, as Scott Sumner seems to want me to believe. He advocates the Fed (or somebody) just &quot;print up&quot; an increase in the quantity of money until NGDP looks &quot;pretty&quot; - with &quot;pretty&quot; being defined by Sumner as somewhere between 4% and 5% NGDP growth rate. As compelling as that might sound for Sumner and others (after all, who doesn&#039;t want robust GDP growth?), I don&#039;t consider just making NGDP look &quot;pretty&quot; by way of the expedient of adding more money a worthy macroeconomic goal in and of itself. As Dr. Kling has said (and I concur), &quot;the U.S. economy is not just a GDP factory.&quot;

I also agree that the Fed doesn&#039;t have the ability to determine interest rates other than its own. I would also quickly add that the Fed doesn&#039;t even have the &lt;i&gt;responsibility&lt;/i&gt; of determining interest rates other than its own. I suspect that is the issue that Dr. Kling (and I, and others) have always known, but Scott Sumner apparently has just &quot;stumbled upon&quot; - the point of this post by Dr. Kling.

So where should I begin my study of the monetarist model to improve upon my understanding? Any recommendations?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan Cast:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not speaking for Dr. Kling here, but I suspect I may &#8220;suffer&#8221; from the same lack of understanding of the monetarist model you reference as applicable to him. So perhaps I should do some more studying as well. </p>
<p>But I&#8217;m not exactly pathetically ignorant either. So before I ask you for a recommendation of where I should start studying the monetarist model, I should give you some idea of my pre-conceived notions, based on what <i>seems to be portrayed</i> as the monetarist model:</p>
<p>You reference, &#8220;&#8230; the quantity of money affects the real path of the economy&#8221;. You also state, &#8220;&#8230; the Fed lacks the ability to determine interest rates (other than its own discount rates).&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree wholeheartedly with both of those statements, as stated! (So perhaps I&#8217;m a &#8220;monetarist&#8221; after all.) </p>
<p>Of course the quantity of money <i>affects</i> the path of the economy. The thing is though, the quantity of money is <i>not the only thing</i> that affects the path of the economy. Nor is the quantity of money <i>the economy in and of itself</i>, as Scott Sumner seems to want me to believe. He advocates the Fed (or somebody) just &#8220;print up&#8221; an increase in the quantity of money until NGDP looks &#8220;pretty&#8221; &#8211; with &#8220;pretty&#8221; being defined by Sumner as somewhere between 4% and 5% NGDP growth rate. As compelling as that might sound for Sumner and others (after all, who doesn&#8217;t want robust GDP growth?), I don&#8217;t consider just making NGDP look &#8220;pretty&#8221; by way of the expedient of adding more money a worthy macroeconomic goal in and of itself. As Dr. Kling has said (and I concur), &#8220;the U.S. economy is not just a GDP factory.&#8221;</p>
<p>I also agree that the Fed doesn&#8217;t have the ability to determine interest rates other than its own. I would also quickly add that the Fed doesn&#8217;t even have the <i>responsibility</i> of determining interest rates other than its own. I suspect that is the issue that Dr. Kling (and I, and others) have always known, but Scott Sumner apparently has just &#8220;stumbled upon&#8221; &#8211; the point of this post by Dr. Kling.</p>
<p>So where should I begin my study of the monetarist model to improve upon my understanding? Any recommendations?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Cast</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 23:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Kling: I&#039;m still not sure you&#039;ve ever understood the monetarist model; you talk like you think the Keynesian model is the only one in town (indeed, like you think monetarists *are* Keynesians, except for their policy prescriptions).  I think you should do some more studying and understand how monetarists think the quantity of money affects the real path of the economy, so you&#039;ll understand how someone can both believe that it does and that the Fed lacks the ability to determine interest rates (other than its own discount rates).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Kling: I&#8217;m still not sure you&#8217;ve ever understood the monetarist model; you talk like you think the Keynesian model is the only one in town (indeed, like you think monetarists *are* Keynesians, except for their policy prescriptions).  I think you should do some more studying and understand how monetarists think the quantity of money affects the real path of the economy, so you&#8217;ll understand how someone can both believe that it does and that the Fed lacks the ability to determine interest rates (other than its own discount rates).</p>
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		<title>By: MikeP</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 23:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Fed is just another bank, except it can print the Book of Arnold.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Fed is just another bank, except it can print the Book of Arnold.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew'</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2015 20:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ha! I knew you were a market monetarist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! I knew you were a market monetarist.</p>
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