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		<title>By: Ross Levin</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/because-milton-friedman-is-dead/#comment-459147</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ross Levin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2015 22:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scruton&#039;s use is a modern conservative spin on the meaning of the word: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oikophobia 

I think the notion Lee Kelly is trying to capture in a word actually IS leftism. Meaning: if you go back to movements for popular sovereignty or opposition to monarchy which comprised the original left wing their political positions don&#039;t map well to our current left-right US political spectra, but they do kind of make sense if you reduce leftism to universalist egalitarian distaste for and opposition to one&#039;s inherited culture and institutions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scruton&#8217;s use is a modern conservative spin on the meaning of the word: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oikophobia" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oikophobia</a> </p>
<p>I think the notion Lee Kelly is trying to capture in a word actually IS leftism. Meaning: if you go back to movements for popular sovereignty or opposition to monarchy which comprised the original left wing their political positions don&#8217;t map well to our current left-right US political spectra, but they do kind of make sense if you reduce leftism to universalist egalitarian distaste for and opposition to one&#8217;s inherited culture and institutions.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Levin</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/because-milton-friedman-is-dead/#comment-459146</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ross Levin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2015 22:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lee
Very good comment. 
-Ross]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee<br />
Very good comment.<br />
-Ross</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/because-milton-friedman-is-dead/#comment-459138</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeffrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2015 13:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The term that you seek is oikophpbia, &quot;oikophobia is fear of the familiar: &quot;the disposition, in any conflict, to side with &#039;them&#039; against &#039;us&#039;, and the felt need to denigrate the customs, culture and institutions that are identifiably &#039;ours.&#039; &quot; British philosopher Roger Scruton&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term that you seek is oikophpbia, &#8220;oikophobia is fear of the familiar: &#8220;the disposition, in any conflict, to side with &#8216;them&#8217; against &#8216;us&#8217;, and the felt need to denigrate the customs, culture and institutions that are identifiably &#8216;ours.&#8217; &#8221; British philosopher Roger Scruton&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: djf</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/because-milton-friedman-is-dead/#comment-459132</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2015 17:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Actually, I cannot remember a time when conservative economists were important in the public sphere.&quot;

Wasn&#039;t there a period, roughly from the recovery in the early 80s until the late 90s, when generally free market arguments, by economists aligned with both parties (including, as I recall, Summers and Krugman), held the upper hand in public debate?  In the late 90s, as I recall, the &quot;center&quot; of public economic discourse shifted to the left, and Democrat-aligned economists (such as the aforementioned grandees) shifted with it.  By some coincidence, the &quot;center&quot; seems to have shifted to the left continuously since the late 90s on just about every contentious public issue (with a post-9/11 detour on national security, of course, now long over).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Actually, I cannot remember a time when conservative economists were important in the public sphere.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t there a period, roughly from the recovery in the early 80s until the late 90s, when generally free market arguments, by economists aligned with both parties (including, as I recall, Summers and Krugman), held the upper hand in public debate?  In the late 90s, as I recall, the &#8220;center&#8221; of public economic discourse shifted to the left, and Democrat-aligned economists (such as the aforementioned grandees) shifted with it.  By some coincidence, the &#8220;center&#8221; seems to have shifted to the left continuously since the late 90s on just about every contentious public issue (with a post-9/11 detour on national security, of course, now long over).</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew'</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/because-milton-friedman-is-dead/#comment-459127</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew']]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2015 23:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Should economics be &quot;popular&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should economics be &#8220;popular&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Kelly</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/because-milton-friedman-is-dead/#comment-459122</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee Kelly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2015 19:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops, I forgot to add how my last comment was related to the opening post.

Basically, in times of relative peace and prosperity, the media is the realm of the intra-tribal competition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I forgot to add how my last comment was related to the opening post.</p>
<p>Basically, in times of relative peace and prosperity, the media is the realm of the intra-tribal competition.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Kelly</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/because-milton-friedman-is-dead/#comment-459121</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee Kelly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2015 19:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are two kinds of tribal competition.

The right is good at inter-tribal competition. In extreme, they&#039;re irrationally suspicious of outsiders, and fearful of being persecuted and subjugated by other tribes. They like to form righteous armies to defend against and attack foreign terrorism and barbarism.

The left is good at intra-tribal competition. In extreme forms, they&#039;re irrationally suspicious of insiders, and fearful of being persecuted and subjugated by high status members of their own tribe. They like to form rag-tag coalitions of the &quot;oppressed&quot; to overturn the existing power structures.

This is why we always observe far-left movements &quot;eating their own&quot;. When they successfully overturn power structures, it isn&#039;t long before their strong intra-tribal instincts kick in again and the cycle begins anew.

Interesting, while we have the word &#039;xenophobia&#039; to describe extreme inter-tribal competitiveness, there is no technical counterpart for extreme intra-tribal competitiveness. The word &#039;autophobia&#039; is already taken for another meaning. Normally, the left-wing counterpart to xenophobia is celebrated as healthy scepticism of authority, at least in academic contexts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two kinds of tribal competition.</p>
<p>The right is good at inter-tribal competition. In extreme, they&#8217;re irrationally suspicious of outsiders, and fearful of being persecuted and subjugated by other tribes. They like to form righteous armies to defend against and attack foreign terrorism and barbarism.</p>
<p>The left is good at intra-tribal competition. In extreme forms, they&#8217;re irrationally suspicious of insiders, and fearful of being persecuted and subjugated by high status members of their own tribe. They like to form rag-tag coalitions of the &#8220;oppressed&#8221; to overturn the existing power structures.</p>
<p>This is why we always observe far-left movements &#8220;eating their own&#8221;. When they successfully overturn power structures, it isn&#8217;t long before their strong intra-tribal instincts kick in again and the cycle begins anew.</p>
<p>Interesting, while we have the word &#8216;xenophobia&#8217; to describe extreme inter-tribal competitiveness, there is no technical counterpart for extreme intra-tribal competitiveness. The word &#8216;autophobia&#8217; is already taken for another meaning. Normally, the left-wing counterpart to xenophobia is celebrated as healthy scepticism of authority, at least in academic contexts.</p>
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		<title>By: cfh</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/because-milton-friedman-is-dead/#comment-459120</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cfh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2015 18:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The media are story-tellers, and the left has a better story.  It is the active &quot;do good now&quot; vs. the passive &quot;do no harm&quot;;  cash-in-the-hand vs. the invisible hand;
the seen vs. the unseen.
&quot;One possibility is that they have earned it.&quot;  This, honestly, never occurred to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The media are story-tellers, and the left has a better story.  It is the active &#8220;do good now&#8221; vs. the passive &#8220;do no harm&#8221;;  cash-in-the-hand vs. the invisible hand;<br />
the seen vs. the unseen.<br />
&#8220;One possibility is that they have earned it.&#8221;  This, honestly, never occurred to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Yancey Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/because-milton-friedman-is-dead/#comment-459119</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yancey Ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2015 17:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have often wondered why The Pope is always Catholic.  Perhaps Smith can propose an answer?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have often wondered why The Pope is always Catholic.  Perhaps Smith can propose an answer?</p>
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		<title>By: R Richard Schweitzer</title>
		<link>http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/because-milton-friedman-is-dead/#comment-459117</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R Richard Schweitzer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2015 16:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps its just so simple as the difference in those who believe intellect can develop means to improve, direct, perfect human conduct to some &quot;desired&quot; conditions; and others, who want to use intellect to understand how human conduct produces differing conditions, and by that understanding avoid conduct that produces detrimental condition.

To be &quot;effective&quot; the first set needs to have political (public) influence, which they seem motivated to seek aggressively.
The second set seems limited in motivation to making their understandings available, but not enforceable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps its just so simple as the difference in those who believe intellect can develop means to improve, direct, perfect human conduct to some &#8220;desired&#8221; conditions; and others, who want to use intellect to understand how human conduct produces differing conditions, and by that understanding avoid conduct that produces detrimental condition.</p>
<p>To be &#8220;effective&#8221; the first set needs to have political (public) influence, which they seem motivated to seek aggressively.<br />
The second set seems limited in motivation to making their understandings available, but not enforceable.</p>
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